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Re: Proving the Earth is flat

Postby BoomerSooner17 » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:44 am

Seriously! I had a heck of a time acquiring enough material to build my interstellar space cruiser. Of course, I was six and the cruiser was cardboard with controls drawn in Sharpie. Sadly, it was not a reusable craft, since it didn't survive the impact with the bottom of the stairs.

Oddly, though, even at that tender age I believed that the Earth was round.
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Re: Proving the Earth is flat

Postby JamesVincent » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:15 pm

What was that TV show where the guy owned a scrap yard and built his own space rocket? Early 80s maybe?
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Re: Proving the Earth is flat

Postby notorial dissent » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:45 pm

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Re: Proving the Earth is flat

Postby Judge Roy Bean » Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:22 pm

This is fun to watch - of course the flat earthers will say it's a production, but knowing the man in it as I do, I can personally attest to his record. (He's flown or flown in almost everything in the USAF inventory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU-DwT65Qto
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Re: Proving the Earth is flat

Postby BoomerSooner17 » Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:27 pm

Yeah, well....the horizon only looks curved because the camera lens/helmet visor/cockpit canopy is curved. So there! :sarcasmon:
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Re: Proving the Earth is flat

Postby Pottapaug1938 » Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:50 pm

BoomerSooner17 wrote:Yeah, well....the horizon only looks curved because the camera lens/helmet visor/cockpit canopy is curved. So there! :sarcasmon:


Earlier today, I read of a Bostonian flat-earther who claims that gravity bends light rays, when they are close to the earth, and that's why you see the masts of a ship before the lower parts.

Yeah -- it's BS; but this poor deluded fool believes it with a passion. It cost him his longtime girlfriend, among other things.
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Re: Proving the Earth is flat

Postby Judge Roy Bean » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:25 pm

BoomerSooner17 wrote:Yeah, well....the horizon only looks curved because the camera lens/helmet visor/cockpit canopy is curved. So there! :sarcasmon:


Yeah, that must be it! :lol:
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Re: Proving the Earth is flat

Postby BoomerSooner17 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:51 pm

Funny story from my youth (I was probably 4 or so):
I was in my grandfather's study, where he and my uncle were showing me a globe. My uncle explained to me that if I were to go into my backyard and dig a hole deep enough, I would end up in China. The way my uncle recounts this story, I took a few minutes to mull over this information, then asked, "Can I get there another way?" My grandfather, who had been silently listening to this exchange, exploded in laughter.
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Re: Proving the Earth is flat

Postby Famspear » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:29 pm

Pottapaug1938 wrote:....Earlier today, I read of a Bostonian flat-earther who claims that gravity bends light rays, when they are close to the earth, and that's why you see the masts of a ship before the lower parts....


The part about gravity bending light rays is correct, according to Albert Einstein, circa 1915-1916.

According to Einstein, space itself is curved by the presence of matter, which effectively means (in part) that a clump of matter with a sufficiently large mass (such as The Sun) can bend light waves from distant stars that pass relatively close to The Sun -- to the extent that scientists have been able to measure this deflection effect during a solar eclipse, as the astronomer Sir Arthur Stanley Eddington did in 1919, with the result that Einstein became a world-famous celebrity.

But, you're right; it is BS to claim that this effect has something material to do with why you see the masts of a ship before you see the lower parts.
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Re: Proving the Earth is flat

Postby Judge Roy Bean » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:51 pm

As I understand it, even though photons have no mass, gravity still affects them - but it has to be an enormous force to affect space time enough to make them appear to move in a curve. Earth's mass is far too small to exert a gravitational force that would make photons move in anything but a straight line.
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Re: Proving the Earth is flat

Postby Arthur Rubin » Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:51 am

Judge Roy Bean wrote:As I understand it, even though photons have no mass, gravity still affects them - but it has to be an enormous force to affect space time enough to make them appear to move in a curve. Earth's mass is far too small to exert a gravitational force that would make photons move in anything but a straight line.
Not entirely correct. GPS calculations have to account for both different clock speeds at the user and at the satellite, and the curved path from the user to the satellite.

It should be noted that photons have a curved path in Newtonian gravity; the deflection under general relativity is exactly twice that in the Newtonian calculation.
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