Mortgage elimination scammers redux

Discussion of various forms of Advance Fee Fraud, including application fees for loans that never materialize, self-liquidating loan scams, as well as mortgage elimination scams and related debt elimination scams [Nigerian-type scams should go in the Nigerian 4-1-9 forum]
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Mortgage elimination scammers redux

Postby Judge Roy Bean » Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:03 pm

Byron Gashler (Mogel) has signed up under yet another mortgage elimination scam MLM, with the same old mysterious BS about how banks don't lend money and how you can, if you follow all the steps just exactly right, eliminate your debt.

Of course, instead of just trying to get a few hundred dollars out of the suckers, this new(?) scam site wants idiots to put up $2,995 for one property or $4,995 for a multiple property "plus" real estate coaching package.

But wait - if you recruit four others - your package is free!!!!!

And these geniuses have a great disclaimer:
Many who start these programs do not follow through and complete the process, by their own choosing. Persistence and follow through has [sic] shown to be effective. Any claims or legal matters are hereby accepted for value with conditions.


(Emphasis added.)

And the author includes these brilliant terms and conditions in his coaching agreement:

All right to claims against THERON JAY MARRS, Theron-Jay: Marrs – secured party, ASSET SOLUTIONS, LLC or it’s employees or affiliates are waived and these parties are to be held harmless from any consequences as a result of using these processes yourself.


Marrs must have given up on the "pay it off fast with another line of credit" software package and $47 monthly payment system he was promoting a couple of years ago (yet another MLM) and gone full-blown into the elimination scam version.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Re: Mortgage elimination scammers redux

Postby notorial dissent » Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:10 pm

I wonder if Byron gave him some of his old Dorean Group stuff. Sounds an awful lot like what they were charging back then, except I thought they were doing the second property for half price or some such. After all, Kurt had to have stolen it from somewhere, he certainly wasn't smart enough to have come up with it on his own, so it is somehow symmetry that Byron do the same.
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Re: Mortgage elimination scammers redux

Postby Dr. Caligari » Tue Mar 09, 2010 1:21 am

Speaking of Kurt, has his appeal been heard yet?
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Re: Mortgage elimination scammers redux

Postby Judge Roy Bean » Tue Mar 09, 2010 1:50 am

notorial dissent wrote:I wonder if Byron gave him some of his old Dorean Group stuff. Sounds an awful lot like what they were charging back then, except I thought they were doing the second property for half price or some such. After all, Kurt had to have stolen it from somewhere, he certainly wasn't smart enough to have come up with it on his own, so it is somehow symmetry that Byron do the same.


Don't think this is a Byron Gashler product. It doesn't look much like the Dorean process and most of what Johnson concocted was an assemblage of other existing things, not the gift from Jesus he likes to claim.
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Re: Mortgage elimination scammers redux

Postby nancydrew » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:26 pm

Judge Roy Bean wrote:Byron Gashler (Mogel) has signed up under yet another mortgage elimination scam MLM, with the same old mysterious BS about how banks don't lend money and how you can, if you follow all the steps just exactly right, eliminate your debt.

Of course, instead of just trying to get a few hundred dollars out of the suckers, this new(?) scam site wants idiots to put up $2,995 for one property or $4,995 for a multiple property "plus" real estate coaching package.

But wait - if you recruit four others - your package is free!!!!!

And these geniuses have a great disclaimer:
Many who start these programs do not follow through and complete the process, by their own choosing. Persistence and follow through has [sic] shown to be effective. Any claims or legal matters are hereby accepted for value with conditions.


(Emphasis added.)

And the author includes these brilliant terms and conditions in his coaching agreement:

All right to claims against THERON JAY MARRS, Theron-Jay: Marrs – secured party, ASSET SOLUTIONS, LLC or it’s employees or affiliates are waived and these parties are to be held harmless from any consequences as a result of using these processes yourself.


Marrs must have given up on the "pay it off fast with another line of credit" software package and $47 monthly payment system he was promoting a couple of years ago (yet another MLM) and gone full-blown into the elimination scam version.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Thought you might enjoy some updates on Theron Marrs. He’s still going strong on YouTube, under TJ. He has even gotten the attention of Harvey Dent, who was going to use “subrogation” to fight his driving tickets, as suggested by Marrs. While doing a bit of investigation on Marrs I located a mugshot photo taken at his arrest in October, 2017. Further looking found this:

Washington Man Indicted and Arrested in a Scheme to Obstruct the IRS

On July 18, 2017, in the District of Oregon, Portland Division, Theron J. Marrs was indicted for obstructing the due administration of the Internal Revenue laws, evasion of payment of taxes, and filing false Federal tax returns. [1] Marrs was subsequently arrested for the offenses on July 20, 2017, in Camas, Washington. [2]

According to the court documents, Marrs was a resident of Bend, Oregon, from 2005 through July 2015 and has been a resident of Camas, Washington, since August 2015. Marrs was involved in several businesses, including debt elimination, multilevel marketing, and tax advice. He owned and operated the website livingfreeandclear.com, through which he sold and promoted abusive tax avoidance schemes. [3]

Prior to 2010, Marrs had a history of timely filing his Federal income tax returns. However, from about February 2011 until the date of his indictment, Marrs corruptly endeavored to obstruct and impede the due administration of the Internal Revenue laws and willfully attempted to evade and defeat the payment of Federal income tax through a variety of acts. [4]

As part of his scheme, Marrs attempted to evade the payment of more than $265,000 due and owing for taxes by concealing and attempting to conceal income, assets, and financial transactions from the IRS using businesses and nominee entities. In furtherance of this scheme, and as part of his efforts to impede and obstruct the IRS, Marrs sent IRS employees false payment instruments, including fraudulent bills of exchange, bonds, money orders, and checks, attempting to mislead the IRS into accepting such items as payment for his Federal income tax due. [5]

Additionally, Marrs sent IRS employees threatening and harassing correspondence, filed bogus and retaliatory lawsuits against IRS employees, and attempted to file a criminal complaint against IRS employees. He also filed frivolous documents with the U.S. District Court for the District of Oregon and filed a false Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) lien. For Calendar Years 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009, and 2010, Marrs willfully filed, under the penalties of perjury, false individual Federal tax returns with the IRS, in which he claimed minimal income each of these years, ranging from $0 to approximately $5,515, while at the same time claiming tax refunds due to him totaling approximately $122,348. [6]

Additional legal actions are anticipated.

[1] D. Ore. Indict. filed July 18, 2017.
[2] D. Ore. Executed Arrest Warrant filed July 24, 2017.
[3] D. Ore. Indict. filed July 18, 2017.
[4] Id.
[5] Id.
[6] Id.


https://www.rapsheets.org/oregon/portla ... on/1417057

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Re: Mortgage elimination scammers redux

Postby notorial dissent » Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:20 pm

To say Moogie isn't very bright is just so not even close to covering it. He's also ethically and morally challenged at the very least. In fact I don't think the Moogs has ever met a scam he didn't like. He was pushing the Dorean Group loudly and fervently tooth and tong even long after it was dead and buried and the dim duo well in to their long term incarceration. Did I mention he's not very bright, or that he has a learning curve reminiscent of the Grand Canyon. I was wondering whose fail he was going to hitch his wagon to next. Keep wondering about his co-idiot down in Dallas or Houston, can't remember which now.
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