Ed and Elaine Brown arrested (Continued even more)

Disilloosianed · Post by **Disilloosianed** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:55 pm

More likely is that Elaine is seen as the go along and not the instigator. Ed on the other hand is the rabble-rouser leader who brought everything down on he and Elaine, hence he will get a medium security prison and will get housed in the special needs/geezers wing.

Oh come on......it was her money. If she was the go-along and the money was hers, then she at least needs to be in medium security for the stupidity.

ErsatzAnatchist · Post by **ErsatzAnatchist** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:41 pm

Medium security is too expensive for a non-violent offender. I suspect that she will be placed into a higher security unit for in-processing prior to being released to general population.
What I would give to be a fly on the wall in her cell (and Ed's).

Post by **webhick** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:48 am

Monochrome Maria on the local Fox affiliate just announced that they're talking to the son of E or E.

Now I'm pissed because I have to watch the news.

Will update.

Post by **webhick** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:01 am

Some notes:
Most of it summarized the whole fiasco.

It was Elaine's son, David Hatch-Bernier (captioner said Hutch-Bernier), who is an architect.
When they asked if he agreed with how E&E handled the situation, he said, "On occasion they lost their way a bit." The way he said it was interesting. He paused for a moment after "on occasion" and it sounded like he was trying to find a nice way to say it.

He said, in regards to the income tax (couldn't tell for certain there was some background noise), "Pretty sure it's not required of me."
He wants to carry on the cause, "legally, through education". Feels as though he can fight it better on the outside than in prison.
He also expressed some relief that his mother is out of the dangerous situation. I can't remember how he worded it.

I should also note that he's definitely Elaine's son. Same spooky eyes.

Edit: Dezcad braved the annals of hell and linked to the newscast here

Nikki · Post by **Nikki** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:02 am

webhick wrote:Monochrome Maria on the local Fox affiliate just announced that they're talking to the son of E or E.

Now I'm pissed because I have to watch the news.

Will update.

oxymoron

Agent Observer · Post by **Agent Observer** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:19 pm

webhick wrote:
Monochrome Maria on the local Fox affiliate just announced that they're talking to the son of E or E.

Now I'm pissed because I have to watch the news.

Will update.
oxymoron

There isn't a single news source/organization out there who doesn't push thier own agenda.

Post by **The Observer** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:52 pm

Agent Observer wrote:
webhick wrote:
Monochrome Maria on the local Fox affiliate just announced that they're talking to the son of E or E.

Now I'm pissed because I have to watch the news.

Will update.
oxymoron
There isn't a single news source/organization out there who doesn't push thier own agenda.

That is why I always laugh at people who want to deride Fox for its newscasting - they are usually the same ones who conveniently forget about the New York Times having problems with their reporters making up "news" out of thin air, Dan Rather's embarrasing moment having to admit that he and his team failed to verify their "source" before he reported the "news", and any other number of other "liberal" media companies who typically wish to hold themselves out as impartial and unbiased only to find themselves apologizing for making a "mistake" when they get called on the carpet by the public.

In short such people criticizing any media outlet for being biased (1) is incredibly naive for thinking that unbiased news exists anywhere, (2) typically believes that if they agree with what they are hearing it must be accurate and true, and (3) are intellectually dishonest.

. · Post by . » Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:30 pm

That is why I always laugh at people who want to deride Fox for its newscasting - they are usually the same ones who conveniently forget about ...

[skip the rest of the devastating detail]

As do I. A-hole liberals who want to try to make pitiful political arguments here should take it to R&R.

Post by **Demosthenes** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:22 pm

Ed Brown in federal prison near Pittsburgh
2 hours, 5 minutes ago

Convicted tax resister Ed Brown is in custody at the low-security Elkton federal prison in eastern Ohio, according to U.S. Marshal Stephen Monier.

Brown's wife, Elaine, is at the federal correctional facility in Danbury, Conn.

Her husband's whereabouts had been kept secret since the couple was tricked and arrested at their Plainfield home last week.

Post by **Demosthenes** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:10 pm

An audio update from "Shaun Allen of the house of Kranish" about his visit from the guys with the "shiny circular" badges. He complains about them making "threatening little threats." Shaun reconsiders his comment that he wasn't going to be interviewed and wants the feds to email him questions. He then calls the wrong number.

http://www.hipcast.com/export/P1f03d2a0 ... REYWt0.mp3

Shaun calls the Marshals again and grovels indecisively while recording the call.

http://www.hipcast.com/export/P0c6d714c ... REYWt3.mp3

Dezcad · Post by **Dezcad** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:21 pm

Demosthenes wrote:An audio update from "Shaun Allen of the house of Kranish" about his visit from the guys with the "shiny circular" badges. He complains about them making "threatening little threats." Shaun reconsiders his comment that he wasn't going to be interviewed and wants the feds to email him questions. He then calls the wrong number.

http://www.hipcast.com/export/P1f03d2a0 ... REYWt0.mp3

Shaun calls the Marshals again and grovels indecisively while recording the call.

http://www.hipcast.com/export/P0c6d714c ... REYWt3.mp3

He's such a piece of work. Such a whiney, snivelling waste of space.

ErsatzAnatchist · Post by **ErsatzAnatchist** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:27 pm

Demosthenes wrote:An audio update from "Shaun Allen of the house of Kranish" about his visit from the guys with the "shiny circular" badges. He complains about them making "threatening little threats." Shaun reconsiders his comment that he wasn't going to be interviewed and wants the feds to email him questions. He then calls the wrong number.

http://www.hipcast.com/export/P1f03d2a0 ... REYWt0.mp3

Shaun calls the Marshals again and grovels indecisively while recording the call.

http://www.hipcast.com/export/P0c6d714c ... REYWt3.mp3

He was too busy eating nachos and salsa to speak to the Marshals?

What a maroon.

After calling his lawyer he will think about an interview? Does the House of Kranish have a lawyer on retainer.

. · Post by . » Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:54 pm

And everyone thought poor Ed was dead.

Nonetheless, Ed and his acolytes will be a foggy memory by a week from Tuesday.

Just like every other stupid TP jailbird.

Post by **Demosthenes** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:14 pm

Brown sent to Ohio cell
Allies: He was tortured

By Margot Sanger-Katz
Monitor staff
October 11. 2007 7:35AM

After nearly a week of waiting and traveling, Plainfield tax protester Ed Brown has arrived at a federal prison in Ohio, according to U.S. Marshal Stephen Monier.

Brown made his way to the low-security Federal Correctional Institute in Elkton, Ohio, late yesterday morning, Monier said.

According to Monier, Brown has been held temporarily in other facilities while he awaited ground and air transportation to Ohio, which took several days to arrange. He would not say where Brown had been held but said it was outside the district of New Hampshire.

Rumors that Ed Brown was being tortured while the marshals held him have circulated online and prompted a number of calls to the Monitor. One frequently repeated theory is that Brown was being subjected to "diesel therapy," a process in which a prisoner is driven great distances while shackled and fitted with too-tight boots. Other writers have suggested that marshals were "trying to brainwash" Brown or were giving him the "Padilla treatment."

Monier dismissed those claims.

"These allegations of torture are just absolutely ludicrous," Monier said, explaining that the marshals detain and transport thousands of prisoners a year without incident.

Brown was convicted in January of conspiring with his wife to hide $1.9 million of her earnings from federal authorities.

He was also convicted of conspiring to disguise large financial transactions and of breaking large transactions into smaller ones to avoid federal reporting requirements.

In April, Brown was sentenced to 63 months in prison, but he avoided capture until last week by remaining at his fortified Plainfield home, entertaining armed supporters and threatening violence if marshals confronted him.

But he and his wife were arrested without incident last Thursday by a team of marshals posing as supporters.

According to a close friend of Brown, Ed Brown said the disguised marshals were coming to do "exercises" with him.

Elaine Brown arrived at the minimum-security Federal Correctional Institute in Danbury, Conn., earlier this week, Monier said.

In a preliminary sweep of the Browns' property, federal officials found improvised explosive devices both in and outside their concrete house, along with weapons, ammunition and booby traps. Monier said officials are continuing to search the home for explosives and other evidence.

When their investigation is complete, the home will be turned over to the Department of the Treasury, which will seize it to recoup the Browns' tax debts.

No new charges have been filed against the Browns since their arrest, but Monier has suggested that the couple may be charged with new crimes for their actions since their convictions.

Post by **Quixote** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:05 pm

Other writers have suggested that marshals were "trying to brainwash" Brown or were giving him the "Padilla treatment."

That would be a big waste of time and effort. As I understand it, the "Padilla treatment" results in the subject being unable to distinguish fantasy and reality. Brown has been in that state for years.

Post by **The Observer** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:15 pm

Quixote wrote:
Other writers have suggested that marshals were "trying to brainwash" Brown or were giving him the "Padilla treatment."
Tat would be a big waste of time and effort. As I understand it, the "Padilla treatment" results in the subject being unable to distinguish fantasy and reality. Brown has been in that state for years.

What if the marshals were trying to do the "un-Padilla treatment" to reverse Brown's fantasy state? Would that qualify as torture?

Post by **Quixote** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:51 pm

The Observer wrote:
Quixote wrote:
Other writers have suggested that marshals were "trying to brainwash" Brown or were giving him the "Padilla treatment."
That would be a big waste of time and effort. As I understand it, the "Padilla treatment" results in the subject being unable to distinguish fantasy and reality. Brown has been in that state for years.
What if the marshals were trying to do the "un-Padilla treatment" to reverse Brown's fantasy state? Would that qualify as torture?

For most TPs, yes.

Post by **grixit** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:03 pm

I don't think there's enough thorazine in the world for that.

Truthstalker · Post by **Truthstalker** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:26 pm

And all along I thought this was his fate:

Florida · Post by **Florida** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:48 am

OK, I'm gonna try to pull a webhick here.....

Rumor has it Kevin C. Hart is teaming up with Dave Champion in an attempt to smuggle Ed Brown out of Elkton. Kevin has slimmed down a few hundred pounds and currently exhibits cat-like reflexes. Champion will supposedly jabber his jaws to agents, effectively putting them to sleep while nimble Hart tippy-toes into Ed's cell. After Ed tries to put his arm around Kevin ala Randy Weaver, Kevin will put Ed into a sleeper hold and leave the geezer in his cell. At this point, the Indians game will be over and authorities will arrest Hart and put him back in prison.