Rachel's Question

rachel · Post by **rachel** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:05 pm

LPC,
What did employers pay employee's before Social Security was enacted?

Come on Dan, I've been waiting for you to answer this question.
Dont avoid it!

Brian Rookard · Post by **Brian Rookard** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:40 pm

rachel wrote:LPC,
What did employers pay employee's before Social Security was enacted?

Come on Dan, I've been waiting for you to answer this question.
Dont avoid it!

Wages?

Just a guess.

Dr. Caligari · Post by **Dr. Caligari** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:41 pm

Wages. The same thing they pay now. And those wages were taxable then. Just as they are now.

Imalawman · Post by **Imalawman** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:58 pm

rachel wrote:LPC,
What did employers pay employee's before Social Security was enacted?

If only my income tax finals in law school and undergrad were this easy.

Ok, here's my guess - taxable income.

Brian Rookard · Post by **Brian Rookard** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:16 pm

Damn! How stoopid (slaps forehead) ... QUATLOOS ... they got paid in Quatloos!

I knew it was a trick question!

rachel · Post by **rachel** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:17 pm

Brian Rookard wrote:
rachel wrote:LPC,
What did employers pay employee's before Social Security was enacted?

Come on Dan, I've been waiting for you to answer this question.
Dont avoid it!
Wages?

Just a guess.

So, you are admitting you have no idea!
Its obviously they where not 3121 wages, but then again your just guessing anyway!
Interesting.... to say the least!

rachel · Post by **rachel** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:18 pm

Dr. Caligari wrote:Wages. The same thing they pay now. And those wages were taxable then. Just as they are now.

Really, show proof!

Post by **Demosthenes** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:21 pm

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/1913.pdf

Cpt Banjo · Post by **Cpt Banjo** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:28 pm

From the 1913 Tax Act:

"That, subject only to such exemptions and deductions as are hereinafter allowed, the net income of a taxable person shall include gains, profits, and income derived from salaries, wages, or compensation for personal service of whatever kind and in whatever form paid, or from professions, vocations, businesses, trade, commerce, or sales, or dealings in property, whether real or personal, growing out of the ownership or use of or interest in real or personal property, also from interest, rent, dividends, securities, or the transaction of any lawful business carried on for gain or profit, or gains or profits and income derived from any source whatever, including the income from but not the value of property acquired by gift, bequest, devise, or descent..."

Post by **Quixote** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:30 pm

rachel wrote:
Brian Rookard wrote:
rachel wrote:LPC,
What did employers pay employee's before Social Security was enacted?

Come on Dan, I've been waiting for you to answer this question.
Dont avoid it!
Wages?

Just a guess.
So, you are admitting you have no idea!
Its obviously they where not 3121 wages, but then again your just guessing anyway!
Interesting.... to say the least!

Does Brian need to start marking his sarcasm for you?

Employees were paid wages, salaries, commissions, bonuses, etc., just as they are today. If you believe otherwise, please tell us what you think employees were paid before the Social Security Act was passed. And while you're at it, explain why those wages were not what we are calling 3121 wages.

Brian Rookard · Post by **Brian Rookard** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:44 pm

rachel wrote:
Brian Rookard wrote:
rachel wrote:LPC,
What did employers pay employee's before Social Security was enacted?

Come on Dan, I've been waiting for you to answer this question.
Dont avoid it!
Wages?

Just a guess.
So, you are admitting you have no idea!
Its obviously they where not 3121 wages, but then again your just guessing anyway!
Interesting.... to say the least!

I changed my mind ... they were paid in Quatloos. I mean, the average worker back then could have never been paid wages ... or salary ... or pay ... or recompense ... or moola ... or dough ... or greenbacks ... or ________ (fill in whatever term you feel should be used for "gettin' paid")

Brian Rookard · Post by **Brian Rookard** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:46 pm

Maybe they were paid in moonshine (as I watch a History Channel special on white lightning).

Disilloosianed · Post by **Disilloosianed** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:51 pm

Legumes.....definitely legumes...

Brian Rookard · Post by **Brian Rookard** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:01 pm

... of the pee-nut variety.

Randall · Post by **Randall** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:19 pm

Pieces of eight.

Nikki · Post by **Nikki** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:01 pm

Rachel:

Can you put aside what happened 50+ years ago and concentrate on the laws as they exist today?

First, can you please state, in simple terms for those of us who can't follow your abstruse logic, exactly what your issue is? Are you arguing that only certain forms, categories, types, or classes of wages are subject to taxation via the income tax or are you trying to make some other point?

Once you clearly state your issue and contentions, perhaps people here can address it without rancor, insults, or leguming contests.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 1:17 am

Her logic is that real property didn't exist until statutes taxing it were enacted.