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Brown trial, Part 2

Postby Demosthenes » Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:03 pm

The government said they will rest tomorrow (Tuesday) morning.
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Re: Brown trial, Part 2

Postby Demosthenes » Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:46 am

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Re: Brown trial, Part 2

Postby Gregg » Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:08 am

So, I have to know, what was in the elevator shaft?

Jimmy Hoffa?

DB Cooper?

Ron and Nicole's real killers?

18 1/2 minutes of previously erased audio tape?

Osama Bin Laden?

Ed's dirty underwear?

We depend on you to get the FACTS JJ, not tease us with questions like this. I have a bad heart, and the stress may be bad for me. Shame on you.

I guess I'll have to see if Scoop got the scoop.


in all seriousness, great stuff, can't wait for the book!
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Re: Brown trial, Part 2

Postby Nikki » Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:11 am

The witness had to shut up to avoid violating a Bush II security order regarding revealing the true location of all the missing WMDs.

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Re: Brown trial, Part 2

Postby Gregg » Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:24 am

Nikki wrote:The witness had to shut up to avoid violating a Bush II security order regarding revealing the true location of all the missing WMDs.


Can't be that, those are kept in the back room at NWO Illuminati World Conspiracy and Oppression Headquarters, in Argillite, Kentucky.



silly....
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Re: Brown trial, Part 2

Postby LPC » Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:44 am

Not to be a spoilsport, but I suspect that the evidence about what was in the elevator shaft was excluded for lack of (what I think is called) a foundation.

In other words, regardless of what was in the elevator shaft, and regardless of whether it was scandalous or mundane, the government couldn't show that Ed or Elaine put it there, so it was not admissible.

We'll find out what it was once the trial is over, but for now it's a distraction.
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Re: Brown trial, Part 2

Postby Demosthenes » Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:59 am

What is rationalwiki and how did I get two blog entries there???

http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/RationalWi ... osphere%3F
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Re: Brown trial, Part 2

Postby Famspear » Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:52 am

Demosthenes wrote:What is rationalwiki and how did I get two blog entries there???

http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/RationalWi ... osphere%3F


Ah, looks like that was done by "Tmtoulouse," who is also a Wikipedia editor and I think someone who, if I recall, has posted here in the Quatloos forum. Tmtoulouse has helped from time to time in keeping the tax protester ravings out of Wikipedia (tax protester ravings almost by definition violate the basic rules of Wikipedia, including Verifiability, Neutral Point of View, and No Original Research).

EDIT: I've heard of RationalWiki, but I can't remember much about it.

EDIT 2: I checked, and yes, tmtoulouse joined Quatloos in August of 2008.
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Re: Brown trial, Part 2

Postby LPC » Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:08 am

A term I've never seen before: "pseudolaw."
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Re: Brown trial, Part 2

Postby grixit » Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:52 am

Luxury control room, with a big screen showing a map of the world, a fur covered easy chair and big fluffy cat.

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Re: Brown trial, Part 2

Postby tmtoulouse » Tue Jul 07, 2009 7:06 am

Yes, I am here. I am primarily a "lurker" here, although I think I have posted a few times. I follow the various threads and cases here regularly as part of a general interest in fringe belief systems.

The Brown case is a good "hook" for people that might find this topic interesting, whereas cases like Hendrickson might be a little to jargony/specific to start off with. RationalWiki has a user base that I think would find a lot of this interesting, and many aren't too aware of it yet. So that's why I was linking over to your blog. The second link to the "where are they now" post was because that is just an amazingly salient piece and deserved some special recognition.

Anyway, that's the where and why of the links.

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Re: Brown trial, Part 2

Postby wserra » Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:44 am

Demosthenes wrote:Blog updated:


Thanks, as always, Demo. Perhaps one day - if the Endless Editing Process ever does end - you'll see a return on your efforts.

Anyway, you wrote:
The jury hasn’t heard any of the big splashy threats made by both Ed and Elaine over the months, but perhaps the government is waiting to introduce that evidence as part of their rebuttal case.
I doubt it. No experienced trial lawyer waits for rebuttal to introduce anything important, because there may not be a rebuttal that the court (which has virtually complete discretion in that area) permits. I think it more likely that the govt feels it doesn't need it, and has concerns about potential issues from offering them. If push came to shove, they are probably admissible, but discretion is frequently the better part of valor. Or perhaps the govt will offer them today, last in its case. But "waiting for rebuttal" is too dangerous a strategy with something you think you need.
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Re: Brown trial, Part 2

Postby Scoop » Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:14 pm

wserra wrote:I think it more likely that the govt feels it doesn't need it, and has concerns about potential issues from offering them. If push came to shove, they are probably admissible, but discretion is frequently the better part of valor. Or perhaps the govt will offer them today, last in its case.


I think they'll come in today. I *think* they need to present at least some evidence about the purpose of the conspiracy, though I'm certainly no lawyer. There were a few threats presented to the grand jury.

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Re: Brown trial, Part 2

Postby Demosthenes » Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:53 pm

Thanks, tmtoulouse! I think you and I have chatted on MySpace before. :wink:
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Re: Brown trial, Part 2

Postby Joey Smith » Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:25 pm

So what was in the elevator shaft? Certainly there has to be at least one loose-lipped agent at the trial who will talk (or, if not, then waterboard one).

Where did Ed intend to hide out inside the compound?
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Re: Brown trial, Part 2

Postby Gregg » Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:41 pm

Certainly there has to be at least one loose-lipped agent at the trial who will talk (or, if not, then waterboard one).


Webhick has interns working on it I think.
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Re: Brown trial, Part 2

Postby Judge Roy Bean » Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:58 pm

Joey Smith wrote:So what was in the elevator shaft? ...


Assuming what we have learned about Ed is true, he believed the compound would eventually be assaulted, probably with tanks, chemicals, artillery, missiles and eventually tactical thermonuclear weaponry.

Maybe they believed they should have a place to hide such that the assault team would find an empty house that the Browns could then escape from after the invaders went away.
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Re: Brown trial, Part 2

Postby Pottapaug1938 » Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:12 pm

Judge Roy Bean wrote:
Joey Smith wrote:So what was in the elevator shaft? ...


Assuming what we have learned about Ed is true, he believed the compound would eventually be assaulted, probably with tanks, chemicals, artillery, missiles and eventually tactical thermonuclear weaponry.

Maybe they believed they should have a place to hide such that the assault team would find an empty house that the Browns could then escape from after the invaders went away.


You'd think that with all those Great Military Minds surrounding the Browns, one of those Field Marshal-wannabes would have come up with an exit strategy... unless what they REALLY craved was a Glorious Death upon the barricades.
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Re: Brown trial, Part 2

Postby fortinbras » Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:16 pm

I would assume that the elevator shaft had, or led to, some sort of stash of provisions, ammo, and the like, of such condition that it would be traceable to Ed & Elaine, which would show an expectation of a major explosion, etc.

Has the jury been told of Ed & Elaine's plan that Ed should kill her, hide in the bunker, let people think he was killed in the explosion, and then miraculously resurrect himself???

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Re: Brown trial, Part 2

Postby Gregg » Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:20 pm

fortinbras wrote:I would assume that the elevator shaft had, or led to, some sort of stash of provisions, ammo, and the like, of such condition that it would be traceable to Ed & Elaine, which would show an expectation of a major explosion, etc.

Has the jury been told of Ed & Elaine's plan that Ed should kill her, hide in the bunker, let people think he was killed in the explosion, and then miraculously resurrect himself???


I didn't know the plan was that elaborate, or if Elaine even knew of it, but I was curious if it came up at trial that at least one plan was for Ed to kill Elaine...
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