Brown trial, Part 2

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Re: Brown trial, Part 2

Postby Famspear » Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:15 pm

Pottapaug1938 wrote:First, I'm not suggesting, I am coming right out and saying that we do NOT have the right to defend our property "by any means we feel like".


Yes, and in the Browns' situation, it was even worse: they had been duly convicted of crimes in a federal court, and were resisting attempts to take them into custody. There is no general legal right to do that -- at a person's own residence or anywhere else.
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Re: Brown trial, Part 2

Postby Famspear » Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:33 pm

So, if just one of the charges carries a 30 year sentence MINIMUM, as stated in the Associated Press news story, and assuming for the sake of argument that the 30 year sentence were to start today (and they haven't been sentenced, yet, presumably), then Ed -- who is now about 67 years old -- would be about 92 years old at the time of release if he serves only 85% of that sentence.

Do I have that right?

I believe Elaine is roughly a couple of years older than Ed.
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Re: Brown trial, Part 2

Postby cynicalflyer » Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:36 pm

Famspear wrote:and assuming for the sake of argument that the 30 year sentence were to start today (and they haven't been sentenced, yet, presumably)


Sentencing September 3.

And per BOP, Ed's 66 and Elaine is 68.
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Re: Brown trial, Part 2

Postby wserra » Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:45 pm

Famspear wrote:Do I have that right?


Not completely.

They have to finish their previously-imposed sentences before the new ones start running.
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Re: Brown trial, Part 2

Postby Famspear » Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:55 pm

wserra wrote:
Famspear wrote:Do I have that right?


Not completely.

They have to finish their previously-imposed sentences before the new ones start running.


Eewwwwww.
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Re: Brown trial, Part 2

Postby Imalawman » Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:12 pm

Famspear wrote:
wserra wrote:
Famspear wrote:Do I have that right?


Not completely.

They have to finish their previously-imposed sentences before the new ones start running.


Eewwwwww.


Sadly, but appropriately, they will die as prison inmates.
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Re: Brown trial, Part 2

Postby cynicalflyer » Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:26 pm

Wait, wait, what's that I hear? Off in the distance? The thousands, nay, TENS of thousands of "patriots" that are coming to their rescue?

Naw. As LPC and Demo noted previously, almost all the Brown "supporters" have left and gone until the next wack job shows up somewhere.
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Re: Brown trial, Part 2

Postby Imalawman » Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:30 pm

I just want to applaud the Marshall's office for a fine job with this stand-off. There's no rallying cry here, no Alamo, no Waco..etc... just a couple old, washed up nutballs that will fade out of memory. Had they wanted they could have had them out in bodybags in 30 mins. Great jobs guys, well worth the money and time involved.
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Re: Brown trial, Part 2

Postby mutter » Thu Jul 09, 2009 10:03 pm

Pottapaug1938 wrote:
mutter wrote:As you suggesting we do not have teh right to defend our property by any means we feel like?
Being civilized we do need boundries of course, we cant have people setting land mines.

the question was cos the gov contended they did it to kill or injure the Feds. So if these devices where done before the seige that theory goes out the window.


First, I'm not suggesting, I am coming right out and saying that we do NOT have the right to defend our property "by any means we feel like". For example, I do NOT have the right to set up machine gun nests at each corner of my property, and an anti-tank gun pointing out the front door.

Second, what the :Browns did was unlawful whether or not it was before the siege. Besides, if you really think that the :Browns didn't do what they did with the Feds in mind, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

Like I sad civilized people have boundries. There are plenty of non lethal bobby traps, snares etc. I learned a bunch in the military and in tracking school. To catch animals of course.
Of course I am not as crazy as ed seems to be. And I didnt know there were local laws prohibiting such things. I never would have expected we would need a law telling someone dont dig a dead fall trap lined with spikes on your property.
Then again like I said I am not that crazy.

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Re: Brown trial, Part 2

Postby Dr. Caligari » Thu Jul 09, 2009 10:07 pm

Imalawman wrote:I just want to applaud the Marshall's office for a fine job with this stand-off. There's no rallying cry here, no Alamo, no Waco..etc... just a couple old, washed up nutballs that will fade out of memory. Had they wanted they could have had them out in bodybags in 30 mins. Great jobs guys, well worth the money and time involved.


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Re: Brown trial, Part 2

Postby Judge Roy Bean » Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:20 pm

mutter wrote:...
Like I sad civilized people have boundries. There are plenty of non lethal bobby traps, snares etc. I learned a bunch in the military and in tracking school. To catch animals of course.
Of course I am not as crazy as ed seems to be. And I didnt know there were local laws prohibiting such things. I never would have expected we would need a law telling someone dont dig a dead fall trap lined with spikes on your property.
Then again like I said I am not that crazy.


What a lot of people who engage in this kind of "end of the world as we know it" preparation fail to consider is the law of unintended consequences. When time passes and the world doesn't end, unsuspecting people who have no knowledge of the booby traps or even stored explosives wind up with some nasty surprises. Not to mention what can happen to wandering children and pets.
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Re: Brown trial, Part 2

Postby Joey Smith » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:44 am

Thread too long -- time to open a new one.
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