Brown Trial, Part 3

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Re: Brown Trial, Part 3

Postby Dezcad » Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:21 pm

Motions for New Trials have been filed on behalf of Ed Brown and Elaine Brown.

There is mention in both Motions of a call from a "David Quinn" of the "Forseti Group" and the involvement with "Dutch". It is the first I have read or seen anything about that.

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Re: Brown Trial, Part 3

Postby cynicalflyer » Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:38 pm

This "Forseti Group" sounds like some of Ed's supporters trying to lay the basis for an appeal or overturning of the conviction.

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Re: Brown Trial, Part 3

Postby Demosthenes » Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:38 pm

cynicalflyer wrote:This "Forseti Group" sounds like some of Ed's supporters trying to lay the basis for an appeal or overturning of the conviction.

YMMV


Interesting observation, CF.

The gov just responded:

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
DISTRICT OF NEW HAMPSHIRE
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
v. Cr. No. 09-30-GZS
EDWARD BROWN and
ELAINE BROWN

Government’s Partial Consolidated Objection to Defendant Edward Brown’s Motion for New Trial and for Intermediate Relief (document # 177) and Defendant Elaine Brown’s Motion for New Trial and Ancillary Relief (document # 176)

Each defendant has filed a Motion for New Trial, to which the government will file timely objections.

However, in their Motions each of the defendants has made reference to an individual
named David Quinn, who, according to defense counsel, contacted counsel for Edward Brown
and later spoke with counsel for Elaine Brown. Due to the nature of the allegations attributable to David Quinn, the government files this partial consolidated objection addressing only the issue of statements attributable to David Quinn.

The undersigned has made inquiry of the Office of General Counsel for the United States
Marshals Service (USMS) and has been informed that the USMS has conducted a diligent
inquiry of all individuals within the USMS who would have had access to the information
referenced in the defendants’ Motions, if it existed, and has been advised as follows:

A) The USMS did not hire or enter into a contract with the Forseti Group, or David
Quinn, or any other person or entity purporting to work for or be related to the Forseti Group;

B) The USMS did not make any payments to the Forseti Group, or David Quinn, or any other person or entity purporting to work for or be related to the Forseti Group;

C) The USMS did not receive, or solicit, or otherwise obtain any memos, reports, incident reports, e-mail, or other writings from the Forseti Group, or David Quinn, or any other person or entity purporting to work for or be related to the Forseti Group;

D) The USMS did not solicit or otherwise obtain any psychological reports, or psychological profiles, or any other memos or writings of any kind from anyone or from any entity concerning or relating to the psychological condition of either Edward Brown or Elaine
Brown.

To the extent defendant Edward Brown’s Motion requests the Court to order the
government to produce “any and all contracts, invoices, memos, incident reports, e-mail or other electronic communications, and any other document or thing pertaining to a relationship with the Forseti Group” (document # 177 @ ¶ 36) and to the extent defendant Elaine Brown’s Motion requests the Court to order the government to provide “any reports, invoices, or other writing pertaining to the involvement of the Forseti Group in the investigation and arrest of Edward and Elaine Brown” (document # 176 @ p. 8) the government objects.

WHEREFORE, for the reasons set forth above, the government respectfully requests that those
portions of the defendants’ Motions that request the government be ordered to produce/provide certain material related to the Forseti Group be denied.

July 17, 2009
Respectfully submitted,
Michael J. Gunnison
Acting United States Attorney

By: /s/ Arnold H. Huftalen
Arnold H. Huftalen
Assistant U.S. Attorney
N.H. Bar Assoc. No. 1215
53 Pleasant Street, 4th Floor
Concord, New Hampshire 03301
(603) 225-1552
Certification of Service

I certify that service of this Partial Consolidated Objection is being made upon each
counsel for each defendant, Edward Brown and Elaine Brown, Michael J. Iacopino and Bjorn
Lange respectively, via ecf filing notice today.
/s/ Arnold H. Huftalen
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Re: Brown Trial, Part 3

Postby cynicalflyer » Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:42 pm

This is about what I figured.
Ed's friends found online a private security company, got someone to pretend to be from the company, and spouted this crap.
In the alternative, the friend really is from the Forseti Group and wants to "help" Ed with a B.S. Story.

This appears to be the website mention in the motion(s).

http://www.forsetigroup.com/

Not updated since 2004.
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Re: Brown Trial, Part 3

Postby cynicalflyer » Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:56 pm

CaptainKickback wrote:BTW a quick Google search comes up with 2 Forseti Groups. One is an LLC which provides private security (headquartered in Hickory, NC) and the other is a sales training and consulting firm.

I agree with others, I think some Brownite is trying to pull some bullsh*t antic. I am also guessing that the USMS and judges do not like it when some *ss-clown tries a cheap-sh*t stunt like that.


Also, shame on counsel for falling for it. There's a phrase, what is it, oh yea. "Due diligence."
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Re: Brown Trial, Part 3

Postby cynicalflyer » Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:58 pm

The name David Quinn rang bells...

http://www.redcrayons.net/?p=36

Government Witness David Quinn

The government continued on their keep-the-jury-engaged trend with this witness. The questions were quick and easy, and the documents were introduced efficiently and clearly.

Mr. Quinn is a Deputy Director at the DC Tax and Revenue Division after spending almost 30 years at the IRS. Through his testimony, the defendant’s tax returns — normal, tax protester, normal, tax protester, normal – were shown to the jury.
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Re: Brown Trial, Part 3

Postby cynicalflyer » Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:05 pm

A Brownite who has had past dealings with the IRS would very likely have known Quinn's name.

http://www.macpa.org/public/Catalog/Ins ... ctorID=816

David C. Quinn

DAVID C. QUINN He has over 29 years experience working with the Internal Revenue Service, primarily within Returns Processing. During his tenure with the IRS, he worked in several of the IRS Processing centers, was the Program Analyst for Error Correction of Individual Income Tax Returns and was the Chief for the Individual Income Tax Section and subsequently the Chief of the Corporate Income Tax Section. Mr. Quinn served as the Chief of Systems and Planning Division, within the Returns Processing Administration where he was responsible for development of manuals, systemic change requests, and testing of all programs. He was contracted back to the Internal Revenue Service for six years working on the Enterprise Transition Strategy, Custodial Accounting Profile, and other Tax Systems Modernization projects. Mr. Quinn is currently the Deputy Director of the Returns Processing Administration, directly responsible for the day to day processing of individual and business tax returns and payments.
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Re: Brown Trial, Part 3

Postby Dezcad » Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:09 pm

One interesting thing I noticed from Ed's motion:

10. At approximately 2:52 p.m. defense counsel’s office received a telephone call from a person identifying himself as David Quinn of the Forseti Group. Mr. Quinn explained to counsel’s staff that he Forseti Group was a “crisis management firm hired by the Marshal’s Service.”
11. At approximately 4 p.m. undersigned counsel returned Mr. Quinn’s call. Mr. Quinn advised counsel that the Forseti Group is a "crisis management" firm that was hired by the United States Marshal's Service for the purpose of devising a plan and executing that plan to arrest Ed and Elaine Brown. He advised that it was their employee who was only identified by the Government as "Dutch." Quinn advised that his group had been under contract with the United States Marshal’s Service since approximately June 2007 and that they also had other clients whose assets were at risk as a result of the Brown situation. He advised that he had just returned from an overseas trip and had discussed the case with an employee who had been following the trial....l


(bolding added)

So, Ed's counsel has the phone number of this person, "Mr. Quinn". It would be interesting to see to whom that phone number belongs.

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Re: Brown Trial, Part 3

Postby cynicalflyer » Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:11 pm

On the use of "David Quinn" See also United States v. Charboneau, 96 A.F.T.R.2d (RIA) 6539

Ms. Charboneau did not file any income tax returns for tax years 1987, 1990, 1991, and 1992. As a result, on October 17, 1994, the Internal Revenue Service ("IRS") assessed its tax liabilities against Ms. Charboneau for her unpaid federal income taxes, penalties, and interests for those years....Pursuant to these statutory liens, an agent from the IRS executed a Notice of Levy for Ms. Charboneau's real property located in Ocala, Florida on November 7, 1994. The Notice was sent to Ms. Charboneau via certified mail. A second Notice of Levy was sent to Ms. Charboneau via certified mail on January 3, 1995, and a third on June 29, 1995. 3 Each of these Notices informed Ms. Charboneau that if she did not satisfy her tax liabilities, that a levy would issue against her property. Ms. Charboneau did not respond to these Notices and did not satisfy her tax liabilities. As a result, on August 14, 1995 and August 31, 1995, the IRS prepared Notices of Levy and Seizure of Ms. Charboneau's real property, located at 284 N.W. 117th Court, Ocala, Florida 34482. 4

FOOTNOTES

3 See Declaration of Dave Quinn, attached as Ex. 3 to United States' Motion for Summary Judgment ("Quinn Declaration").

4 Quinn Declaration, Exs. D, E.


...

Exhibits 1 (the Certificates of Assessment Transcript) and 6 (transcript excerpts of Ms. Charboneau's deposition) to the United States' motion are authenticated under Rule 902(8) as they are accompanied by certificates of acknowledgment. Exhibits 2, 4, and 5 are public records, and therefore are authentic under Rule 901(b)(7). 18

FOOTNOTES

18 Ms. Charboneau's claim that the Quinn Declaration should also be stricken is equally frivolous. First, the declaration is, in fact, electronically signed, as required by this Court's electronic filing and case management procedures. Second, HN13Go to the description of this Headnote.a declaration need not be notarized to be valid. See 28 U.S.C. § 1746. Third, the declaration states that Mr. Quinn was the IRS agent in charge of collecting on Ms. Charboneau's tax liabilities and that he had first hand knowledge of her case - Ms. Charboneau has not provided any evidence to refute this.
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Re: Brown Trial, Part 3

Postby cynicalflyer » Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:13 pm

United States v. Stoecklin, 848 F. Supp. 1521

A hearing was held by the Court on December 1, 1993. The Court heard the testimony of Revenue Officer David Quinn and received Respondent's Exhibits A and B. As directed by the Court, petitioner has also submitted excerpts of a deposition given by respondent in a bankruptcy proceeding and citations to published notices (Doc. #31).

...

The Declaration of Revenue Officer David B. Quinn and the testimony and exhibits from the December 1, 1993 hearing established the following: Revenue Officer Quinn has been employed with IRS for approximately 19 years and is a grade GS-12. He served an IRS Summons upon petitioner on July 8, 1993. (Doc. #1, Declaration, P 3, 4, Exhibit A-1).
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Re: Brown Trial, Part 3

Postby Demosthenes » Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:21 pm

I called the (828) 632-5484 number on the Forseti Group website, it rang 10 tens before it was answered, and only then, it was because someone was trying to dial out.
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Re: Brown Trial, Part 3

Postby cynicalflyer » Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:23 pm

Demosthenes wrote:I called the (828) 632-5484 number on the Forseti Group website, it rang 10 tens before it was answered, and only then, it was because someone was trying to dial out, however.


I am thinking the Forseti Group may be a name pulled out of someone's Google search. But at this point, with what I just found with 30 minutes worth of looking on "David Quinn", I am not taking any bets either way.
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Re: Brown Trial, Part 3

Postby Demosthenes » Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:28 pm

The phone number is a now assigned to a residential land line in Taylorsville, NC.
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Re: Brown Trial, Part 3

Postby Scoop » Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:45 pm

Demosthenes wrote:The phone number is a now assigned to a residential land line in Taylorsville, NC.


Indeed, a confused child answered the phone twice.

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Re: Brown Trial, Part 3

Postby Demosthenes » Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:46 pm

One of the execs listed on the Forseti Group website (and on their LLC business license) is Rodney Price.

As of 2007, he was using the same fax number as Forseti for the following venture:

YOUR NEW FORTUNE - PRICE INCREASE - WHAT IT MEANS TO MEMBERS

The owners of Your New Fortune, Michael Corcoran and Craig Garcia announced last week that as of April 7, 2007 the price of the program would increase to $ 69.95. They also stated that this would make the program much more valuable to it’s members, because of the increase in revenue, and the additional features of the program. Taylorsville, NC -- Apr 09, 2007 -- /prbuzz/ -- The price of Your New Fortune has been increased from
$ 14.95 per month, to $ 69.95 per month. This will have a significant impact on current and future members of the program.

The owners of Your New Fortune, Michael Corcoran and Craig Garcia announced last week that as of April 7, 2007 the price of the program would increase to $ 69.95. They also stated that this would make the program much more valuable to it’s members, because of the increase in revenue, and the additional features of the program.

Your New Fortune is the entry-level program for the EDC Gold line of products. Members of the program receive their own website and a back office with $100,000 in retail software and digital products. They offer “Live” training 3 times a week, on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays. Members can earn $ 69.95 per month for each person they bring into the program, which can build a sizeable residual income. With Your New Fortune there members earn 100% commission.

For More information concerning this program, or the upper level programs offered by this company, please visit http://www.yourcashbusiness.com or Contact RDP Unlimited at 828-221-0129.

Contact:
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Re: Brown Trial, Part 3

Postby cynicalflyer » Sat Jul 18, 2009 1:14 am

Dezcad wrote:So, Ed's counsel has the phone number of this person, "Mr. Quinn". It would be interesting to see to whom that phone number belongs.


Another question: will counsel cough up the number? Would or could they claim privilege? Plus, given that the person on the other end of the line was trying to perpetrate a fraud on the court, I doubt the judge will be sympathetic to any claims that would shield or protect the number.
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Re: Brown Trial, Part 3

Postby Thule » Sat Jul 18, 2009 1:30 am

cynicalflyer wrote:This "Forseti Group" sounds like some of Ed's supporters trying to lay the basis for an appeal or overturning of the conviction.


Hmmm, Forseti [litt: First seat] is the Norse god of justice.
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Re: Brown Trial, Part 3

Postby Dezcad » Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:20 am

cynicalflyer wrote:
Dezcad wrote:So, Ed's counsel has the phone number of this person, "Mr. Quinn". It would be interesting to see to whom that phone number belongs.


Would or could they claim privilege?


What privilege could he claim? There is no attorney-client relationship between "David Quinn" and Ed's counsel.

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Re: Brown Trial, Part 3

Postby LPC » Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:25 am

CaptainKickback wrote:BTW a quick Google search comes up with 2 Forseti Groups.

It seems fairly clear that the 5-10 minutes spent searching by the average Quatloosian was 5-10 minutes more than was spent by the average Brown defense lawyer.

Of course, we're paranoid/suspicious by nature, so we check everything.
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Re: Brown Trial, Part 3

Postby notorial dissent » Sat Jul 18, 2009 6:12 am

LPC wrote:Of course, we're paranoid/suspicious by nature, so we check everything.

Or maybe can just smell a con job coming a mile away!!!!!!!!

The old saying applies, “If it looks like a horse apple and smells like a horse apple, it’s a pretty good bet it is a horse apple.”
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