Well, since everyone is over here now, lol....I decided to join.
I have no respect for Lady M or for George and for many many reasons which go back for years. George has never really been that involved in the site nor in it's management. When Mumbles had a melt down and he was finally banned (after many of the regular posters were banned by him and left), LM brought him back. WTF? In fact, she banned my little ass for standing up to him and to her over the whole fiasco. George will just about make anyone a Mod over there. Cripes, he made the biggest loser/failure/liar/troll on the site, Kerry, a Mod. lmao He has Mods that are worthless over there now. He lost all the good Mods. He let one Mod, who rarely showed up, run wild and just delete things and ban posters for no just cause and then he would disappear again. lol He does not know the members nor does he care to even bother to check them out. The political forum is a hot mess free for all, yet suddenly the MLM is supposed to be different now.
I don't know what hold that Len has over George, but making him not only a Mod, but an Administrator was a huge mistake. There was no reason to do that. Since George is famous for deleting threads with no explaination, even to the Mods, let alone the members, he could have deleted the threads about Len and Yoli, but to bring him on board and which then caused the banning of Tom, the banning of SBM, not to answer her emails over that situation, after the years of incredible service and and time she put in on that forum, to see long time members fleeing the board, others being banned, others rarely posting, is simply beyond sad, it's a disgrace.
Now he has himself as NN Nude News is spamming the hell out of the chat forum (it's pretty much in the toilet) and other forums and he's added video ads at the end of posts. It was bad enough when he had the Ashley dating site link for weeks appearing at the end of every posts (a site for married men to meet women). He has no morals, no ethics and frankly he's an asshole. When a mirror site of Scam was found on the net with our posts on it and this was discussed and linked in the Political forum a few months back, he lied about that as well and kept deleting the threads about it, so did LM...she was right there trying to cover his ass for him like she always does. He lies about everything. I have no respect and only distain for him. The last time I tracked that mirrored site, it was a teen porn site now and he still owns it.
I was shocked when Tom left because of ethical reasons (even though this was extremely upsetting to me, because I consider him a friend and missed him terribly- but I understood why he did it and he was right. He did the only proper thing he could do. He cowboyed up. When you have been screwed, used, lied to over and over, unappreciated, worked so hard and had enough, that's it) and also when Hopeful Cynic and Bibleman (two excellent Mods) showed their solidarity and quit, I was proud of them. They have more ethics, character and courage in their pinkies, than George (or len) will ever have. That cesspool does not deserve two individuals such as them to begin with. His unbelievable shabby treatment of SBM says it all about what kind of asshole he really is. She was the best thing that ever happened to that stink hole and she was tossed out like yesterday's garbage.
George treats the decent Mods like crap and lets the members to be treated in the same fashion. He has no idea how to actually run a good site/forum and he does not care. The place had potential and even that potential is now gone. He's like a mad dog in the manger. Won't do what is right by the forum,the members or the Mods, yet he won't sell the site to someone who could make it what it should/could be. I have no idea why he even keeps it. The political forum is full of nuts, racists and bigots. It's the same 6 people posting drivel over there day in and day out. No new members really join and if they do, they never or rarely post and many of them leave. Great way to run a site and to moderate it. Yet posters are being banned, threatened and driven off the MLM forum now and threads and posts deleted. The pro MLMers have taken over and are trolling threads, yet nothing is done to them. The anti-MLMers are ridiculed and threatened on a daily basis. Again, great way to run a site.
Funny, Lisa says she won't be posting there, yet she went right back there the next day and is posting away. That lasted five minutes. lol Many of the long time posters and certainly the Mods have known about George, his lies, his background and his behavior for a long time, (and LM's) so her news was no news to me nor to others. Just because you didn't know about him Lisa, does not mean that I and many others did not. You assume an awful lot. Lisa, you never posted on the MLM forum even once til just recently when you saw people squaring off with Len. You never participated there. This crap goes back a very long time. Something which you are not aware of and you were never a part of. The disappearance of the YTB thread for example which was the oldest and most popular and longest thread on the MLM forum went poof one day. All the years of research, articles, lawsuits, history, you name it. No explaination given to the Mods or the members.
You acted like you were the only one to stand up to Len recently. You are quite wrong and clueless. The thread about him (Len Clements who is he anyways) was deleted and we had all been on his ass for many, many months. Where were you? Oh yeah, you weren't there. You never even saw the thread nor did you even read it, even the new version. In fact, we have all said much worse to Lenny than you posted to him, and many times. lol I tried to resurrect along with Doc's help the cached version new version. It was tossed. The original Yoli thread was locked. A new one started and Len has been there daily, threatening members and deleting their posts. In the previous threads, Len threatened to sue posters, including myself. You came in a very long time after this all started. Many of us simply don't give a crap any longer and that is why we are not there. We've moved on and given up on that hell hole. There just is no point. It's not going to get any better. And in my case, I was also standing in solidarity for Tom and SBM.
So when you boast that nobody had the guts to say anything, you have no idea what you are talking about you are totally wrong! When you stated that people were just whining, many of those people already knew the score about George and the site and they damn well have a reason(s) to whine! We said plenty for months and in some cases, years! Where the hell were you when we all have been fighting the likes of the MLM slime bags on there like Chris Doyle, Kerry, Len, MLMers scum on all the Travel MLM threads and dozens and dozens more of them who use the forum to troll and recruit the gullible on a daily basis and bitching about the owner and LM and the threads being deleted, the ads, being banned, being threatened and being threatened to be sued, doing the research and posting the truth, the facts, the figures, the articles, the interviews, the court documents and more for years? Oh yeah, you weren't there were you?
You don't know 10% about the MLM forum, it's members, it's history, the Mods, the scams over there, or the owner that you think you do. You haven't said a thing (just recently, for the first time) to Len that more than a dozen of us haven't said about him and directly to him for many months on Scam. But then again, you were not there to see any of that. That is why you really do not understand what has happened, what has been happening for a long time, how bad it has really become and how ticked off and fed up people are and why, so it means nothing to you. But it meant a great deal to the rest of us. We did expose scams and scammers, we had fun, we were also serious as hell and we made some damn good friends along the way. Now all of that time and effort has been destroyed. You were not a part of any this, so you just don't get it. At least I had the courage to stand up to my convictions, keep my word and stopped posting there when Tom left, the thread was deleted and then Len made an administrator. Some of us have real balls and not pretend ones. Some of us actually had/have a dog in this mess. You don't.
Now that Len's an Administrator, it's over. The fox is now in charge of the hen house. He has a mission and George is letting him have free reign. Len is a very disturbed, desperate, egomanical, pathetic, scamming, phony. He even had several different screen names over on Scam as well. He will go to any lengths to get his way obviously and George has helped him. Two low lifes in partnership. (shakes head)
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