Question on "United Nations of Turtle Island"

[Unidyne]

I came across a website for a pseudo-Native American "tribe" called the "United Nations of Turtle Island". They sell the usual stuff like license plates, ID cards, driver licenses and the like:
http://www.unitednationsofturtleisland.com/

Dead Giveaway: The application for the ID card requests you affix your thumb print and signature with RED INK!
http://unitednationsofturtleisland.com/ ... _Card.html

Dripping with quasi-tribal references, it also contains a number of "sovrun" style legal mumbo-jumbo concerning copyright.
http://unitednationsofturtleisland.com/ ... _2007.html

Seems that the REAL Native Americans know about these folks:
http://tuscaroranationeyog.yuku.com/top ... ml?page=-1
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1909.0

Anyone have any info on these people?

[bmielke]

There was a thread here a while ago in them, on of the principle scammers even came on for a while. Then she tried (and possibly succeeded) to delete all her posts.

ETA link to old thread:

viewtopic.php?f=37&t=5224&start=0

[fortinbras]

"Turtle Island" is the fakeloric "Indian" name for North America:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_Isl ... h_America)

... so this is presumably some fake Indian tribal thing.

(Coincidentally, the United Nations campus in NYC is built on a spot once called Turtle Bay.)

[ArthurWankspittle]

I'd never heard of them but co-incidentally, look at the background of the video that has just been posted in another thread and there is a poster of theirs on the wall.

[Pottapaug1938]

I seem to recall a creation saga in which the dry land we have today originates either from dirt being piled on the back of a swimming turtle, or the turtle being magically grown and transformed into dry land.

[Cathulhu]

Sounds like something out of Terry Pratchett. Great A'tuin, the star turtle...

[JamesVincent]

The Great Turtle. Seneca nation indians had a great turtle in their mythology that soil was piled upon its back to make a home for the sky-woman

http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/senecacreation.html

There was another one that the whole world was the back of a great turtle also but I cant remember what it was. I believe it was of the Creek nation but apparently it was a common theme with the Native American nations.

[Brandybuck]

It's turtles all the way down!

[Cathulhu]

Ok, Brandy, you got me. I lol'ed.

[grixit]

It's turtles all the way down!

Until Yertle rebells.