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I started this new thread on the continuing adventures of the privatesectoract.com crew simply because of personnel changes and a new business for them. I suppose this post should rather be entitled “It's Hard to Keep a Good Scammer Down”. With Ty Griffiths and his crew in disarray there was a hiatus for a few months during the summer:
1. Ty Griffiths has abandoned ship entirely, and except for the occasional peaceness and light posting to facebook, he is absent from the scene;
2. Kevin Kumar and Laurel Cinnamon are on the run with a Canada wide warrant out for him;
3. Allyson Johnson is still peddling health foods, the status of her fines is unknown;
4. Kevin Manji is now a restaurant worker;
5. Derek Johnson spent two months in Lethbridge Jail, apparantly his stay was rather un-nerving for him from reports received.

Before his June 7 rather disastrous court proceedings, Derek indicated publicly that he was giving up on the real estate business and planned to branch out into something new.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... -1.3569129
Now, former Calgary businessman Derek Johnson says it's finally time to change careers.
"I have been fighting this battle for five or six years and there comes a time when you've got to put your sword and shield down and move on," Johnson said.
After his release on August 8, rested and rejuvenated by his vacation in Southern Alberta, it did not take long for the crew to reactivate with this:
http://www.privatefundinginvestorsnetwork.ca
Sounds a lot like Derek's previous real estate dealings, but let's show the proof. Earlier versions of the site (it's still a work in progress) had this for one of the pages:
http://www.privatefundinginvestorsnetwo ... work/oex4j
The Real Estate Council Of Canada Investors NETWORK is a group of Private Independent Canadian Business people who Share resources over the internet in order to Buy and Sell Real Estate and Private Mortgage Contracts.  The resources we share are each of our Time, Energy and Money.
and,
To Join a Money Making Team, send an email to RealEstateCouncilOfCanada@gmail.com
edit: for those of you who haven't been following the very lengthy saga of the crew, their previous real estate schemes were peddled under the Real Estate Council of Canada and Commission Free Systems (now dead links by court order.
Earlier versions of the site also had a page devoted to the typical OPCA redemptionist argument of redeeming your birth bond through Fidelity Investments but I neglected to save a copy.
As further proof, this business scheme is being peddled widely on kijiji by one of their former employees, Keith Moro, who through front companies like Beryl Investments and Kyanite Investments was active in commissionfreesystems. Here's a backgrounder on Keith Moro:
https://www.google.ca/?client=opera#q=k ... ro+kelowna
Looking at his past history he doesn't appear to be the type to be peddling OPCA related real estate and debt consolidation schemes on his own without some help. Here's one of his kijiji ads promoting the scheme:
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-financial-legal/ ... nFlag=true
Date Listed
25-Aug-16
Address
Kelowna, BC, Canada
Is your debt becoming a problem? It's time to give us a call! 
If you have: Credit Card debt, Pay Day loans, Student loan, Line of credit, any or all unsecured debt, and collection agencies harassing you, WE CAN HELP! 
Services offered: Debt Settlement, Consolidation, as well as all secured and unsecured debt relief assistance. You do not need to own a home, or any kind of asset to take advantage of our programs. 
Private Funding Investors Network is a leading debt reduction business that understands the emotional roller coaster living with debt.There are no upfront fees and the initial consultation is free. 
WE CAN STOP THE COLLECTION CALLS 
WE CAN REDUCE YOUR DEBT BT THOUSANDS 
WE CAN HELP REBUILD YOUR CREDIT 
privatefunding2017@gmail.com 
Phone 778-581-7965 Day or Evening 
WE WORK FOR YOU -- NOT YOUR CREDITORS!!! 
We offer free of charge assistance with rebuilding your credit to all of our clients! 
We've saved clients hundreds of thousands. Call us now to see how much we can help you save. If you do sign up for our services and refer a friend who makes his/her first payment we will wave a months payment for you. Its true, if you have enough friends who need our services, you can pay off your debt for free!
And yes, that is Moro's phone number, used while he was working for them previously and also for his own private, unrelated ads. There is also a new phone number, a VOIP number out of South Western Ontario, so they may have a new employee or some of the crew has moved back east. I will discuss the site further and how it most likely fraudulent and definitely has the typical OPCA arguments as events unfold.
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I just had to post a link to this page.
http://www.privatefundinginvestorsnetwo ... ness/kqxpw
Buying into the Vertical Integration Private Finance Auditing Debt Strategies Business Opportunity
Yes, that's the title of the page. Continuing in the throw enough buzzwords around theme we have the following paragraph as an outline of their claimed second to none business model:
Understanding Vertical Integration, The Concept of Auditing Debts, The Banking Industry, The Credit Card Industry, The Collector Industry, The Concept of Buying & Selling Contracts, The Concept of Buying and Selling Businesses and Effective Money Raising Teqniques all together with the Evolution and Application of Technology and the Internet is where the true niche has developed in this New Revolutionary Business Opportunity.
Now just try saying that all in one breath, I was exhausted just reading it. :shock:
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Buying into the Vertical Integration Private Finance Auditing Debt Strategies Business Opportunity
My, but that's a mouthful of utter nonsense.

I can't help thinking that somewhere buried in that morass there is an offer to sell unlicensed securities or some such that should set off some alarm bells somewhere.

I think this particular kind of stupid is incurable and can only be dealt with by a sizable prison term for all concerned. Still reeks of scam.
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There whole website approach seems to be based on the fact that if you throw enough important sounding words at the victim they will be enticed into joining the scam. They get incredibly detailed in some respects as to which email to send, demands for wet ink signatures etc, but they gloss over other important details. I will detail it all in the next few days, but it's really nothing more than their old real estate scam of reselling foreclosed properties recycled into the buying and selling of debt contracts under the guise of being helpful guys aiding in debt consolidation for the unfortunate.

My excuse for the tardy responses - renovating my humble abode, tearing up sub floors, and things are not going well so I needed a beer and caught your response.
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Talking about buzz words, this one has to be my favorite:
http://www.privatefundinginvestorsnetwo ... ntee/ea0n5
Summary - you have bought a supposed debt contract from these guys and your borrower hasn't been making his low, low payments, for an extra twenty bucks a month we will replace it for another equally worthless debt contract of similar value.
The Lender Garauntee Assurance Fund
By the way, the mis-spellings are not my own. Did these guys learn their trade selling vacuum cleaners door to door?
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As promised, pretty well a month ago, here are some updates on Derek and Kumar's latest business venture. I must admit to having a few difficulties initially figuring out how it all worked, but it's now displayed for all the world to see. It is exactly the same as their previous real estate scam, but with a different product. Even the lower level tactics of advertising on kijiji, recruitment of front line employees, etc are following the same format. Although the lower level tactics are perhaps potentially more humorous, I will leave that to a later post.

In their previous real estate scam, it was actually a two part scam that evolved over a period of years and you had to do some digging. They obtained fraudulent control of properties that were either under foreclosure or for sale by owner. They then accepted deposits on these properties and explained away the delay in completing the final transfer with the excuse of waiting for conveyancing. If you really searched hard you could find some excuses, on youtube, that they were “auditing” any liens or mortgages on the properties. Of course, any deposits paid by unsuspecting victim #2 simply disappeared.

Their latest scam follows exactly the same profile and methodology, except that the product they are selling are unsecured debt contracts. They have been careful to delve into this largely unregulated (in Canada) business. It's all laid out on their web site now, no need to follow them on youtube or facebook. The first step is convincing some poor sod that they can handle all their money woes by lending them money through a private investor through a debt consolidation loan.
http://www.privatefundinginvestorsnetwo ... -thousands
As part of the justification for this fantastic deal, along with using simple rather than compound interest, they claim they can reduce the total amount owed by the old freeman tactic of auditing the loan, wet ink signatures, etc.
http://www.privatefundinginvestorsnetwo ... r-debt-by-
In fact, they even include a handy pro-forma copy of a letter to send to your creditors.
http://www.privatefundinginvestorsnetwo ... o-creditor

Now that they have victim number one on the hook so to speak by arranging a debt contract, the next step is to resell that debt contract to victim number two, which is where the scammers' real profit lays.
http://www.privatefundinginvestorsnetwo ... unted-debt
Victim number two is convinced that this is a great proposition since he now has a creditor who is paying off a loan for X dollars that has really been discounted by whatever percentage through the magic of auditing the loan.
http://www.privatefundinginvestorsnetwo ... -technique
It all sounds great, but of course this loan auditing is nothing more than a delaying tactic while they enjoy the deposit the lender has paid them. Here is the fine print on the deal...
http://www.privatefundinginvestorsnetwo ... structured
The second Step is more proactive.  We will expect you to make calls to business owners who are selling their businesses offering a commission free service.  In this business you must be a people person who is not scared of the phone.  The commission free service is well explained via the Sell Your Business Comission Free.  
​Once you check out the business
The cost of the business is $250,000.00 
​Here is how we structure the transaction
​The cost to get in is $25,000.00
​All Associates must then buy a minimum of  $75,000.00 of debt
​We will finance the rest
(mis-spellings and punctuation errors not my own)

And for those of you who don`t realize that this is the same as buying muskeg in Kapuskasing, the scammers even offer legal advice.
http://www.privatefundinginvestorsnetwo ... pertection
Someone with more lawyereque knowledge than myself can perhaps comment on this, but it appears to be a legitimate legal service linked to.
https://www.legalshield.com

And finally, just to show that OPCA litigants have not gone totally moribund in Canada, for those potential victims who need further convincing of the theoretical background justification for their revolutionary money making techniques, they have placed all the birth certificate bond myths and loan resecuritization garbage on one handy page. Warning, plenty of links to old privatesectoract youtube videos.
http://www.privatefundinginvestorsnetwo ... esentation
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As mentioned previously, one of their front line workers peddling their debt consolidation schemes is a chap called Keith Moro. Here is a picture of Keith taken from his facebook page.
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Here is the profile picture of a chap called Angelo Alexander, selling exactly the same debt consolidation product on kijiji. The email address from kijiji is the same as Moro's but the phone number is different.
https://plus.google.com/103720290298938368424/reviews
and expanded a little:
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Perhaps Moro and Alexander should get together and establish common grounds as to who is using who else's image in vain, since Angelo claims not to have never heard of Keith, Kevin, or Derek. No change from their previous real estate ventures, constantly shifting (false) contact names.
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Our friends have taken time out from auditing loans to get great deals for their customers and perused Quatloos and are more than a little upset with what has been said about them. In their previous life they would have been posting videos on youtube linked to by Ty Griffiths or even gone all FMOTL with their Alberta Court of King's Bench. Although they claim to have a crack legal team on contingency to handle these problems:
http://www.privatefundinginvestorsnetwo ... pertection
they have decided to take a more direct approach now with implied threats of physical harm. Here's a forwarded email sent by "Angelo Alexander" who I previously mentioned who thought at the time he was talking to me...
From: Consolidation Discount <privatefunding2017@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 4:08 AM
Subject: Re: Debt relief scam
To: redacted
So Eric, its all starting to make sense now. you should start getting your
facts straight, it could be detrimental to your health. It didn't take much
for me to figure it out thanks to you. How long did you think you could
hide behind your slanderous blog for? Not much longer. see ya soon buddy.
Just as an aside, half of my amusement is trying to figure out who you're talking to when you have an email conversation with privatefunding2017. We have spoken with some of their front line employees (victims) and even they weren't always sure.
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I've been out of the loop for the last three weeks because of knee surgery but I finally roused myself from my drug induced somnolence to resume posting. So, what have our friends been up to? A few ads on kijiji for debt consolidation services. They're being very careful now about hiding their links to the Private Funding Investors Network so their marketing must be taking a hit - all that effort to create a web site and they don't even link to it any more.
But wait - a rebirth!!! http://www.discountyourdebtfree.com
Almost exactly the same as their previous site, just a different name. At first I thought this was just them following their usual business model of multiple web sites, but maybe there is a simpler reason - no web site administrator. :shrug:
Here's perhaps the reason: https://www.reca.ca/consumers/publicati ... rrest.html
Apparantly Kumar was picked up late the previous week, spent a few days in remand while his new digs were being prepared for him and was transferred to a Correctional Center to begin his Christmas vacation on 21 November. For those of you who wish to send him Christmas gifts or cards he's in the Spy Hill Jail in Calgary. (wondering if he would accept visits from members of Quatloos) :snicker:
Some investigators have had interviews with him and they most definitely have my sympathies. His responses range from "didn't do it" to Ty Griffiths in full Hot Justice Reality TV mode to "we're not guilty because everybody ran away from their contracts so we never made much money".

BTW, in future, please refer to me as the kindly old gent with a cane, rather than the mean old coot with a stick
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I'm making my post here rather than the old privatesectoract.com thread simply because according to my doctor I am to limit my time on the computer. Getting the personal stuff away, my eye surgery was moved up to last Friday, everything went very well, thank you to the best wishes from fellow quatloosians. I only have to do the face down thing at night and the only problem is that I have this damn gas bubble that has been injected in my eye that makes it appear that I am swimming. Really officer, that's my excuse for stumbling and bumping into things, it's not the beer.

Anyways, back on topic.... Derek and Kevin for the past year or so have been continuing their debt consolidation games but otherwise have been very quiet. They have been careful to disguise who is actually posting their kijiji ads by using a series of "front-people" (BTW, their favorite protoge, Keith Moro, has died) and requesting phone numbers before any contact. Pretty boring actually so I only have been monitoring their activities a couple of times a month.

One of the comments that continued to come up on the old privatesectoract.com thread was "why haven't they been charged with criminal fraud?". Well here is what I found last week:
Document Count Offence Date Statute Nature Accused City Of Offence
87425-1 1 18-Aug-2015 CCC - 380(1)(a) Fraud over $5000 Commit JOHNSON, DEREK Ryan/ KUMAR, KEVIN Anthony Kelowna BC
87425-1 2 04-Aug-2015 CCC - 380(1)(a) Fraud over $5000 Commit JOHNSON, DEREK Ryan/ KUMAR, KEVIN Anthony Kelowna BC
and here is CCC380 (1) (a):
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts ... n-380.html
380 (1) Every one who, by deceit, falsehood or other fraudulent means, whether or not it is a false pretence within the meaning of this Act, defrauds the public or any person, whether ascertained or not, of any property, money or valuable security or any service,

(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to a term of imprisonment not exceeding fourteen years, where the subject-matter of the offence is a testamentary instrument or the value of the subject-matter of the offence exceeds five thousand dollars;
This reference gives a good explanation of the crime of fraud in Canada. It looks like they are facing a 2 year minimum by my interpretation.
http://criminalnotebook.ca/index.php/Fraud_(Offence)
Although the offence(s) occurred way back in August 2015 they were only recently charged which is typical for white collar crime in Canada.

Document Accused Cnt Location Date Time Room Reason Result Finding Canc.
87425-1 JOHNSON, DEREK Ryan 1 Kelowna Law Courts 20-Nov-2017
01:30 PM 008 AHR
87425-1 JOHNSON, DEREK Ryan 2 Kelowna Law Courts 20-Nov-2017
01:30 PM 008 AHR
87425-1 KUMAR, KEVIN Anthony 1 Kelowna Law Courts 20-Nov-2017
01:30 PM 008 AHR
87425-1 KUMAR, KEVIN Anthony 2 Kelowna Law Courts 20-Nov-2017
01:30 PM 008 AHR
87425-1 JOHNSON, DEREK Ryan 1 Kelowna Law Courts 23-Oct-2017
01:30 PM 008 CLC SBD
87425-1 JOHNSON, DEREK Ryan 2 Kelowna Law Courts 23-Oct-2017
01:30 PM 008 CLC SBD
87425-1 KUMAR, KEVIN Anthony 1 Kelowna Law Courts 23-Oct-2017
01:30 PM 008 CLC SBD
87425-1 KUMAR, KEVIN Anthony 2 Kelowna Law Courts 23-Oct-2017
01:30 PM 008 CLC SBD
87425-1 JOHNSON, DEREK Ryan 1 Kelowna Law Courts 02-Oct-2017
01:30 PM 008 FAW SBD
87425-1 JOHNSON, DEREK Ryan 2 Kelowna Law Courts 02-Oct-2017
01:30 PM 008 FAW SBD
87425-1 KUMAR, KEVIN Anthony 1 Kelowna Law Courts 02-Oct-2017
01:30 PM 008 CLC SBD
87425-1 KUMAR, KEVIN Anthony 2 Kelowna Law Courts 02-Oct-2017
01:30 PM 008 CLC SBD
87425-1 KUMAR, KEVIN Anthony 1 Kelowna Law Courts 31-Aug-2017
02:00 PM 008 FAW SBD
87425-1 KUMAR, KEVIN Anthony 2 Kelowna Law Courts 31-Aug-2017
02:00 PM 008 FAW SBD
August 2015 was when the pair were at their height: hijacking ads from other people, threatening various members of the Group of 15++, and generally acting as if no-one could touch them. I'm trying to find out more information about which of their many instance of fraud the Crown cherry picked for the case. Although I'm free at the time I probably won't attend their arraignment hearing to mock them, something about my blue bracelet that won't let me on an airplane or travel through the mountains or my eyeball might explode. :shock:
I will have to rely on the CBC to keep me updated - http://infotel.ca/newsitem/alberta-real ... ud/it47278
Final comment: about effin' time, no knowledge yet if they will go FMOTL in court, they appear to have legal representation.
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I can explain the abbreviations.

AHR - Arraignment - Used when the anticipated event is an arraignment before an adjudicator.

SBD - Scheduled (Defence/Accused) - Used when an accused is scheduled by a Judicial Case Manager to another appearance as requested by the Defence/Accused.

CLC - To Consult Counsel, Used when an accused has been adjourned to another date to consult with counsel (See CCFM Rule 8(2)(g))

FAW - First Appearance Warrant/Police Release - Used after the execution of a warrant where the accused has been released by the police and the accused is making a first appearance in accordance with that release document (not in-custody).To be added in future.

http://www.litigationbydesign.com/decip ... ist-codes/

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Made it to the CBC:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... -1.4382384
As I mentioned previously I was wondering about which instances of fraud the Crown was going to cherry pick:
Kelowna resident Shelli Cohen says she came into contact with Johnson and Kumar after she responded to advertisements placed on Kijiji.ca in 2015.

"They basically called it creative real estate or creative financing, in which their goal was to find people who were selling their homes privately and connect them with buyers that could not qualify for conventional mortgages and then they would use investors that would facilitate a transaction," Cohen said.

Cohen said at first she trained with Johnson and Kumar and eventually invested $12,500 in a home purchase brokered by the pair.
The all-seeing eye of the Group of 15+ knows about the Shelli Cohen deal. One thing the Crown has to prove in a fraud case is intent or in other words that the perpetrators should have known or did know that it was a scam. This one was pretty blatant from what I hear. Derek and Kumar hijacked an ad from an unaware home seller and took Cohen's money as a down payment for the house that was in the process of being legally sold to someone else entirely. Roughly the same as me picking a vehicle at random off a dealer's lot and selling it myself to some guy and pocketing the money.
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Derek and Kumar's preliminary inquiry is on Monday with trial continuation on Tuesday. I'm nursing a bum knee so out of boredom I have convinced my wife to run me over to Kelowna to attend. Should I be the kindly old gent with a cane or the mean old coot with a stick? Just for interest's sake they have even brought in a Crown out of Vancouver to prosecute it. I wasn't aware that BC had a group known as the Office of The Commercial Crimes Crown Counsel with special expertise in fraud related matters.
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eric wrote: Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:15 pm Derek and Kumar's preliminary inquiry is on Monday with trial continuation on Tuesday. I'm nursing a bum knee so out of boredom I have convinced my wife to run me over to Kelowna to attend. Should I be the kindly old gent with a cane or the mean old coot with a stick? Just for interest's sake they have even brought in a Crown out of Vancouver to prosecute it. I wasn't aware that BC had a group known as the Office of The Commercial Crimes Crown Counsel with special expertise in fraud related matters.
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Thanks for covering this. It should be interesting.
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Philistine wrote: Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:56 pm Thanks for covering this. It should be interesting.
Rubbing fingers with glee with anticipation as I prepare a tale of the crack legal team of Bogue and Bryfogle descending from on high in their ecclesiastical pursuit chariots to perform a whupping...
Not really, Kumar asked for and got a publication ban and no witness contact order. About all I am allowed to say is that they have split the trail again - Kumar has a BC Supreme Court Judge and Jury trial probably on the 15 th of October. Derek started the proceedings today by asking that his trial be moved to Winnipeg under the jurisdiction of a provincial judge at a date yet to be determined so he got to miss today's fun.
Sorry, that's it at least until Kumar's trial is over
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We can be patient, Eric, while the machine grinds them down. I hope you enjoy your BOTG observations and get some satisfaction from seeing these scoundrels brought to justice.
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Publication bans on a Preliminary Inquiry when there is a Supreme Court jury trial coming up are pretty well the standard in Canada.
Section 539 - An order under this section bans publication of evidence taken at a preliminary inquiry until the accused has been discharged or, if ordered to stand trial, the trial has ended. In cases where a file is transferred from the Provincial Court to the Supreme Court for the purposes of trial, the ban remains in force until the trial has ended. However, the ban does not apply to any evidence given during the trial.
https://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/supreme_co ... _bans.aspx
I'm not sure which combination of the two individual trials I shall attend. Winnipeg from here means flying and my motivation for driving through the Kicking Horse and Rogers Pass route in early winter to Kelowna is limited. - Just got back from Kelowna and in good weather it took me 9 hours. That all being said it was rather enjoyable to throw our pair off their game when they saw me. I was debating greeting Kumar with a cheerful "Good morning Ty Griffiths" but was dissuaded by my wife.
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Hercule Parrot wrote: Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:36 pm We can be patient, Eric, while the machine grinds them down. I hope you enjoy your BOTG observations and get some satisfaction from seeing these scoundrels brought to justice.
Talking about grinding them down - they must be incurring some legal bills so there is a new business venture afoot for them which I will report on tomorrow. Here's a quick summary of their case(s) right now: (this is from a redacted email I sent to an interested party so it's a little disjointed)
Originally the indictment was written so that Kumar and Johnson were to be tried together. In the Canadian court system, it'snot like what you see on television. All the evidence that the Crown plans to use has to be revealed to the defence and a summary of it, along with witnesses, is presented during the preliminary inquiry. A preliminary inquiry can be interesting since it can give hints to both opposing sides what the strategies for the trial are going to be.

So here is what happened with Kumar and Johnson: (checking back in publicly available Court documents not subject to the ban)
1. Johnson's trail was severed from Kumar's, Johnson will be tried in Manitoba Provincial Court
2. During the prelim Kumar's lawyer made it a little too obvious what strategy he was going to follow. IMHO :shrug:
3. On 2 October there was a court appearance to schedule another court appearance;
4. On 9 October the Crown had what is basicly a freebie retry. They added in more evidence/witnesses so that there was sufficient information to rewrite the charges for Kumar acting on his own. It's known in Canada as a Proceeding under New Indictment. You will notice that the file number has changed from 87425-1 to 87425-2. Both fraud charges still stand, the Crown has just changed the way they are going to present their case.
5. So now the whole thing for Kumar will restart again in April on the 19th with a pretrial conference.
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Think either will sell the other out, now that they're separate?
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grixit wrote: Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:34 am Think either will sell the other out, now that they're separate?
Interestingly enough I was recently talking to someone with expertise on the matter and used the phrase "a race to trial". I'm being careful not to say too much because of the publication ban but it's a standard legal tactic when there are multiple persons charged with two or more offenses. The first person to come to trial mounts some sort of defence on one of the charges but blames everything else on the other guy on the rest of the charges.

More to the point, because of the publication ban, and because Kumar et al, were trying to be good boys before trial my life had become incredibly boring. No more coming home after work on Wednesday to check out Ty Griffith's weekly rant about me:
https://es-la.facebook.com/405100519590 ... 425653203/
or:
https://es-la.facebook.com/pg/humanrigh ... ist/posts/

Just regular sweetness and light inspirational posts from Ty on facebook autoposted by Hootsuite until his free trial of the software ran out. (I'll get more into this later). Anyways, our scammers' cash to pay legal bills must be running out, but a month ago Ty started to push this site:
https://reducemydebtbythousands.com
In its first version it was an almost exact word for word copy, just some grammatical errors cleaned up, of the PrivateFundingInvestorsNetwork site. This is just a teaser, I will talk about the scam's "improvement" and new personalities involved in my next post. I guess Kumar just couldn't stay away from OPCA schemes. I'm even safe from the publication ban part of things because none of this can be linked to what he is on trial for now so long as I am careful not to talk about his real estate ventures.