Dean Clifford - A Tale of Two Gurus

[Bill Lumbergh]

http://www.robsmithcounsel.com/the-end- ... ord-forum/

Highlights:

* Former webmaster Alex has not only taken down the site, but also ALL videos and content from the web.
* Attempts are being made at rebuilding from scratch.
* Rob Smith Counsel is starting his own forum and membership community.

[Jeffrey]

I call bullshit on blaming Alex on this one as well as on the claims the he "stole" money.

In fact, I pre-emptively call bullshit on anything from the Clifford camp and invite Alex to tell his side of the story.

[notorial dissent]

I may be misremembering, but don't I remember that Alex started shutting things down because he was tired of fronting all the money for it, doing all the work, and not getting any help of assistance from the Clifford Crew? And that he ran out of money, needed what little he had for little things like a roof over his head, and didn't have time anymore to devote his life to this particular sham? I also thought he gave them good and fair warning he was leaving on top of it all.

[Jeffrey]

Based on what we know, he passed control of a website to someone else whose name I can't remember but I believe is mentioned in the goodbye post. That person was the one updating the .info and posting to the Youtube channel and presumably the one that shut it down currently.

Although the website being shut down days after his indictment suggests something else may be at play.

[notorial dissent]

OK then, I was remembering something/someone else obviously.

[Jeffrey]

For context:

I cannot take on such burdens and expect to keep everyone happy and pay off Dean’s private property he bought. This is not my problem and want nothing to do with that either.

As for the forum, media and document service I had built, this will no longer be available. It is best to cut the cord and part ways completely as I do not want to spend any more time helping Dean or be burdened with all this.

The web server has been handed over to another which will get in touch with Dean when he gets out.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140612221 ... 2/goodbye/

[notorial dissent]

Or maybe I wasn't. I don't think anything was ever said about who it was handed over to that I recall.

Sounds like the handover didn't go so well.

[arayder]

Dean's .info website is down.

Is the house of cards collapsing?

Will Dean Inc. be issuing refunds to the folks with active memberships?

[notorial dissent]

Dean's .info website is down.

Is the house of cards collapsing?

Will Dean Inc. be issuing refunds to the folks with active memberships?

Have you been sneaking some of Dean's floor sweepings and not telling us?

[arayder]

Have you been sneaking some of Dean's floor sweepings and not telling us?

Too many rodent droppings. . .I am told.

[LordEd]

In freeman wordplay, re-fund is broken apart. The 're' would be to do again (redo replay) and fund would be paying into his cause.

So yes he will accept refunds.

[Jeffrey]

Of note, it's been over a week since Dean's indictment and Darren is still either unaware of it or denying it.

As an aside, fellow Quatloos contributors obtained copies of the 2008 case against Dean which we surmised is the one which led to his license being suspended. I had not commented on it because I thought they'd be typing up a summary and didn't want to steal their thunder but given that it apparently disproves the rumors that the accident involved someone's death it should be posted.

The summary of events in the case judgement is as follows:

On March 10, 2006 at approximately 10:50 p.m., Mastervick was
driving the Camaro southbound on Pembina Highway, in Winnipeg, in Manitoba,
when he made an unsafe left turn onto Harrow Street directly in front of the 2004
Hyundai and 2001 Hyundai which were traveling southbound on Pembina Highway
with the right-of-way (the "Collision"). As a result of the Collision, the 2001 Hyundai
was forced to collide with the Toyota which was stopped at the intersection of
Pembina Highway and Harrow Street (the "Second Collision''). After the Collision
and the Second Collision, the defendant failed to stop and exchange particulars.

Moments after the Collision and the Second Collision, Mastervick was
driving the Camaro northbound on Harrow Street, failed to stop for a red traffic
control light at the intersection of Harrow Street and Taylor Avenue, and collided
with the Nissan which was traveling westbound on Taylor Avenue through the
intersection on a green traffic light with the right-of~way (the "Third Collision").
As a result of the Third Collision, the Nissan was forced to collide with a light
standard (the "Fourth Collision"). The defendant then left the scene of Third
Collision and Fourth Collisions on foot without exchanging particulars.

As a result of all this Dean was ordered to pay $50,696.07 because:

The Collisions were caused by the negligence of the defendant Clifford,
particulars of which negligence are, inter alia, as follows:
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a) allowing Mastervick to operate the Camaro when he knew, or
ought to have known, that he was not qualified and authorized
by law to operate a motor vehicle;

Mastervick was operating the Camara with the consent, express
or implied, of Clifford;
g) Mastervick was operating the Camaro without a valid driver's
license and while not qualified and authorized by law to operate
a motor vehicle;
h) Clifford was vicariously liable for Mastervick's negligence while
Mastervick was operating the Camaro.
i) Clifford permitted, suffered or connived at the operation of the
Camaro by Mastervick when he knew or ought to have known
that Mastervick was not qualified and authorized by law to
operate a motor vehicle.

What is not mentioned is whether Dean's license was revoked as a result of this and noticeably absent is any mention of fatalities caused by this reckless driving.

I believe the place to go to verify that is Case number CR07-01-27706 and CR07-01-27707, the cases that landed Zachariah in jail after the car accident or in the alternative if someone in Canada could contact Manitoba Public Insurance for copies of the accident reports Zachariah was involved in in 2006.

I've gone over most of Dean's videos of seminars and lectures and radio interviews. At no point has he ever mentioned this case despite the rather significant dollar amounts involved and in particular his brother's lies about the case are pretty blatant.

[arayder]

I've gone over most of Dean's videos of seminars and lectures and radio interviews. At no point has he ever mentioned this case despite the rather significant dollar amounts involved and in particular his brother's lies about the case are pretty blatant.

So it turns out Dean's claim that he does no harm is not just untrue, but a ding dang lie.

Most of us struggle to go about causing no harm in the world. We understand that even things we do with the best indentions can backfire and cause real harm.

But Dean gave his Camaro to an unlicensed hit and run specialist who had no business with sharp pencils, let alone a car. Dean's colossally bad judgement amounted to negligence.

You'd think that after a witless foul up like this Dean would have shown a little more understanding toward the cops that pulled him over. But that didn't happen. If anything Dean transferred a pile of self loathing onto the authority figures he rants about.

This guy, Dean Clifford, is a psychological, emotional, intellectual and spiritual mess.

[notorial dissent]

But you're missing the whole point, from Deanview™, none of this was Dean's fault. He wasn't driving and therefore it was someone else's responsibility, and all those other people should have gotten out of the way instead of getting in front of Mastervick like they did, and the courts and mean ole insurance company are just picking on po widdle Dean so he can just ignore it and pretend it never happened.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Once again, you can't help but admire his persistence.

11 22-Sep-2014 Winnipeg-QB NOTICE OF MOTION (JUDGE) ACCUSED, HABEAS CORPUS, 25SEP2014 @ 10:00 A.M.-RFEFERENCE CR13-01-32571
12 22-Sep-2014 Winnipeg-QB ORDER TO CONVEY A PRISONER
13 22-Sep-2014 Winnipeg-QB AFFIDAVIT OF DEAN CLIFFORD, SW 15SEP2014
14 22-Sep-2014 Winnipeg-QB CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH CERTIFIED COPY OF LIVE REGISTRATION OF BIRTH OF DEAN CLIFFORD
15 22-Sep-2014 Winnipeg-QB ACCEPTANCE OF SERVICE OF NOT/MOT BY AGENT FOR THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL OF MB, 22SEP2014
16 22-Sep-2014 Winnipeg-QB TRANSCRIPT PROV COURT 25-MAR-2014 STANNARD, PJ

[notorial dissent]

There comes a point where persistence becomes stupidity and Dean has long since passed that point.

[arayder]

There comes a point where persistence becomes stupidity and Dean has long since passed that point.

It makes a certain sort of sense in the dysfunctional freeman subculture to give the appearance of keeping up the good fight.

Dean's playing to freemen who are often up against it regarding their drivers licenses, student loans, credit card bills, mortgages and jobs. They look to him as a model.

It seems to have escaped these gullible freemen that the core argument of every one of Dean's magic motions, that he's outside the jurisdiction of Canadian law, was long ago rejected by the courts.

Dean can't win. But the equally hopeless freeman rank and file can't see him giving up.

[Pottapaug1938]

There comes a point where persistence becomes stupidity and Dean has long since passed that point.

It makes a certain sort of sense in the dysfunctional freeman subculture to give the appearance of keeping up the good fight.

Dean's playing to freemen who are often up against it regarding their drivers licenses, student loans, credit card bills, mortgages and jobs. They look to him as a model.

It seems to have escaped these gullible freemen that the core argument of every one of Dean's magic motions, that he's outside the jurisdiction of Canadian law, was long ago rejected by the courts.

Dean can't win. But the equally hopeless freeman rank and file can't see him giving up.

They never will, because they have an all-purpose trump card: if the courts and the governments rule against them, it's because 1) they are corrupt, and/or 2) they are so terrified of NESARA being announced/the RV being announced/the prosperity packies being funded and released/Eddie Haskell beating up The Beaver that they will do whatever they need to do to Keep The Word From Getting Out.

[Jeffrey]

It makes a certain sort of sense in the dysfunctional freeman subculture to give the appearance of keeping up the good fight.

Dean really hasn't been advertising all these shenanigans though. The fact that he's down to the craziest of Freeman strategies (filing his certificate of birth), reeks of desperation.

This is the real deal, he thinks what he's doing can work.

[Bill Lumbergh]

An update on the glorious lawsuit! The Master has completed what we can only assume are written reasons for judgment. This leads me to believe that he actually notified the parties of his decision back in August but took the extra time to write out his reasons.

24-Sep-2014 Winnipeg-QB REASONS FOR JUDGMENT MASTER SHARP 24SEPT2014

Eyes peeled now to see if this gets reported!