The "Citizens' Grand Jury." (Larry Klayman)

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Interestingly, Klayman's citizen-grand-jury website is down, as are his billboards on I-75.
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Chados wrote:Interestingly, Klayman's citizen-grand-jury website is down, as are his billboards on I-75.
I just checked it and I get a message from godaddy saying the domain name expired and is awaiting deletion or renewal. That is, if i went to the right web page. i started out at larryklayman.com, scrolled down and clicked on the link that said CITIZENS GRAND JURY. I'm so disappointed. :snicker:
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Larry continues to lose...
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court won't hear an appeal from a conservative lawyer and activist in his long-running dispute with a federal judge.

The justices on Monday did not comment in letting stand lower court decisions dismissing Larry Klayman's lawsuit against U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Klayman

Clearly the guy has what they call an "overconfidence effect". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overconfidence_effect

Too bad he doesn't have a little "scrupulosity" mixed in.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrupulosity
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Leisure Suit Larry is a legend only in his own mind. otherwise, I think you've got him pretty well pegged.
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Klayman is now telling people to "deport Obama":

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/l ... port-obama
Larry Klayman: Deport Obama!
SUBMITTED BY Brian Tashman on Monday, 10/6/2014 10:25 am


UPDATE: Klayman appeared on NewsMax today where he said that the myth-busting website FactCheck.org of the Annenberg Public Policy Center's is "probably some lefty group," arguing that people shouldn't trust Obama about his birth certificate because of Benghazi.

Right-wing legal activist Larry Klayman says President Obama must be “deported back to his native country,” arguing in a WorldNetDaily column on Friday that the president should “be tried, convicted and removed from our shores before he destroys everything the Founding Fathers bequeathed to us.”
No, Obama is not incompetent or ill prepared, as politically correct commentators shade it. The African-American “Muslim in Chief” knows exactly what he is doing, and it is done at the expense of the rest of us. As set forth in a deportation petition I filed just today, it’s time that he be deported back to his native country and for him to leave us alone. He has no legitimacy to be president, and he must be tried, convicted and removed from our shores before he destroys everything the Founding Fathers bequeathed to us.
Klayman told U.S. News and World Report that Obama has “been in this country illegally, he’s an illegal alien.” Bob Unruh of WorldNetDaily filed a glowing report on Klayman’s push to deport Obama:

Now Larry Klayman, the former Justice Department lawyer and founder of Judicial Watch and Freedom Watch, is suing to get President Obama deported.

Shipped out. Sent back. Removed.


Klayman’s request alleges document fraud, falsely claiming citizenship and willful misrepresentation.
Klayman’s letter [PDF] to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) cites reports from birthers including Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio, Arpaio’s “lead investigator” Mike Zullo and WorldNetDaily reporter Jerome Corsi, along with several videos Klayman saw on YouTube.

In the letter, he speculates that Obama’s mother had given birth in Kenya because she was “a multi-cultural adventurer enamored of foreign countries and uninterested in the United States” and “may have relished an authentic African birth more in touch with nature and human history.”

Klayman also contends that Obama should be referred to as “Barry Soetero” because that was his name in Indonesia.

“In sum, deportation proceedings should be immediately commenced, an investigation undertaken, a full evidentiary hearing held, and Barack Hussein Obama should be removed from the United States,” he concluded.
I take it that Klayman no longer wishes to be a member of the legal profession.
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My choice early in life was to either be a piano player in a whorehouse or a politican. And to tell the truth there's hardly any difference.

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Reading the Snopes bit about Klayman leads to this 1998 Slate piece on Klayman:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... tch.2.html

This was back in 1998 and Larry was suing then-First Lady Hillary Clinton:
Nut Watch

First Larry Klayman sued Hillary Clinton. Now he's suing his mom.

By Jacob Weisberg

Jacob Weisberg is chairman and editor-in-chief of The Slate Group and author of The Bush Tragedy. Follow him on Twitter.


Everything you need to know about Larry Klayman can be gleaned from a press release he blast-faxed to the world two weeks ago. The heading read:
CLINTON ALLIES BEGIN SMEAR CAMPAIGN AGAINST JUDICIAL WATCH

Use "Friendly" Newsweek Reporter to Harm Memory of Grandmother of Larry Klayman

Likely Complicity of Clinton Private Investigators
The unhinged prose that followed responded to an item filed by Newsweek reporter Daniel Klaidman. Klayman did not dispute the fact that he is suing his mother, Shirley Feinberg. He claims his mom won't pay him back $50,000 he spent on private nurses for her mother, his grandmother, Yetta Goldberg, who died last August at 89. He did not want this suit to become public, but the Clintonites, he asserted, learned about it and leaked word to Newsweek. The final paragraph of his statement bears quoting in full:
Klaidman used this information, obviously dug up by private investigators of the Clintons to suggest that the Judicial Watch chairman will sue anyone, and so hurt Klayman by trampling on the memory of his grandmother. This is untrue, unfair, and outrageous! What is true is that Klayman will do what is right, no matter who is involved. Whether it means caring for his sick and dying grandmother who raised him, guaranteeing payment to her nurses, or taking action to make sure they are paid. Klayman will not shrink from his standards of ethics and morality. Unlike Klaidman, who wants to curry favor with Clinton administration friends such as [George] Stephanopoulos, Klayman looks to no one, other than God, for guidance and direction.
In fact, Newsweek did not hear of this lawsuit, which was concealed under the name of a collection agency that belongs to Klayman, from the White House. It found out from Klayman's brother, who volunteered the information. But the point is not just that this Klayman conspiracy is imaginary and far-fetched (Newsweek, which broke the Lewinsky scandal, is hardly "friendly" toward the White House). It is that, as evidenced by this and other paranoiac effusions, Klayman is off his rocker.

This became abundantly evident when I went to interview him at his Washington office this week. After attempting to ascertain whether I was a Clinton spy or worked for Salon magazine ("in our view, a front for the Clinton administration"), Klayman told me that "private investigator types" working for Clinton have been spotted "casing" his office. With darting eyes and barely repressed rage, he alleged that administration secret police keep files on him. He went on to tell me that Ron Brown was probably murdered because of what he knew about various administration scandals. Alleging the existence of forensic evidence of murder, he explained, "Everybody in that lab believed there was a round hole the size of a .45 caliber bullet." (In one TV interview, Klayman suggested the killer was "perhaps the president himself.") The Brown cover-up is the subject of one of the 18 lawsuits Klayman has filed against the administration. Another concerns the investigation into the death of Vince Foster, who Klayman thinks may also have been murdered.

In other words, Klayman is one of the fringe characters who has sprouted in the moist ground of the Clinton scandals as mushrooms do after a spring rain. But Klayman is not treated like a fringe figure. He has, by and large, achieved the mainstream credibility he craves. He is a frequent guest on such TV programs as Crossfire, Rivera Live, MSNBC's Internight, and The Charles Grodin Show (with whose twitchy host he seems to have a special affinity). Klayman is financially supported, praised, and frequently cited by the wider conservative movement. But he isn't just a nutter who gets right-wing foundation money and gets on television. He's a nutter with a law degree who takes advantage of the courts to harass his political opponents. How does he get away with it?

The press elevates Klayman for a couple of reasons. On television, there are more and more shows that take off from the Crossfire format, expecting guests to represent strongly contrary positions. If one thinks Ken Starr is out of control, the other, ideally, should argue that Bill Clinton knifes people and buries their bodies in the White House basement. If these guests scream and yell, so much the better. Barking, however, undermines the pretense of a rational debate. Klayman, who presents a coherent façade while making wild and unsubstantiated charges, is perfect. With print publications, there's a different problem. Fine profiles of Klayman have recently appeared in Newsweek and the Washington Post. But the conventions of newspaper journalism are such that an "objective" reporter cannot render his own opinion that the subject has a screw loose. Klayman is described in such terms as "controversial legal gadfly."

You might think mainstream conservatives would be wary of Klayman's tactics. Tort reform was part of the Contract With America, and he is a one-man litigation explosion. But so far, conservatives have been silent, perhaps because Klayman has proved remarkably effective at abusing the people most right-wingers dislike. His primary vehicle is a $90 million invasion of privacy suit filed against Hillary Clinton and others on behalf of the "victims" of Filegate. Never mind that congressional investigators and Ken Starr have decided that the gathering of FBI files on previous administration officials with names starting with letters A through G was not part of a grand plot to harass political opponents. Klayman has found an opening to harass his political opponents, inflicting costly all-day depositions on Harold Ickes, Stephanopoulos, James Carville, Paul Begala, and many others.

In these torture session, Klayman rants and raves and demands to "certify" for the court answers that he deems evasive. ("What does 'certified' mean," Ickes responded to Klayman, "other than 'crazy'?") Klayman asks administration officials about whom they date, where they go after work, whether they were expelled from school for disciplinary problems. One 23-year-old White House assistant was interrogated about a triple murder that took place at a Starbucks in Georgetown. Klayman videotapes these depositions, excerpts of which air on Geraldo when Klayman appears on the program, and publishes the transcripts on the Internet. This is in pursuit of a case about the invasion of privacy, remember. But resistance is largely futile. Last week, the presiding judge in the case sanctioned Stephanopoulos for not looking hard enough for documents covered by a Judicial Watch subpoena. As punishment, Stephanopoulos has to go through the ordeal of another deposition and pay some of Klayman's legal costs. The ultimate goal of the Filegate suit appears to be to inflict this treatment on Hillary Clinton.

Why don't the courts put a stop to this? Some judges have tried. In 1992 in California, Klayman lost a patent case on behalf of a distributor of bathroom accessories. His obnoxious behavior got him barred from Judge William Keller's courtroom for life. Klayman has hounded Keller ever since. He appealed the ruling, accusing Keller of being anti-Semitic and anti-Asian (Klayman is Jewish; his client was Taiwanese). After losing his appeal and being scolded by the appeals court judges, he tried to appeal to the Supreme Court. He has not given up yet. It is this matter, he has said, which led him to found Judicial Watch in 1994. The organization supports requiring judges to undergo psychological testing and holding them personally liable for "reckless" rulings. It also advocates removing Keller from the bench.

More recently, in a trade case in New York, Klayman found himself on the other end of charges of ethnic bias. When Judge Denny Chin ruled against Klayman's client, Klayman wrote Chin a rude letter asking about his contacts with John Huang and suggesting that Chin's being an Asian-American Clinton appointee may have biased him. The connection was imaginary. In our interview, Klayman claimed press accounts of this incident have made it sound as if the Huang-Chin connection was baseless. He said it was supported by a document discovered in one of his lawsuits. But the document, which he faxed to me, turns out to be merely a list of Asian-Americans appointed by the Clinton administration. Chin fined Klayman $25,000 and barred him from his courtroom for life. A three-judge panel on the U.S. Court of Appeals threw out the fine but upheld the expulsion. "I've got ethics complaints pending against all four of them," Klayman says.

Despite Klayman's record of abusing the courts, Judge Royce C. Lamberth, a Reagan appointee, has been extremely indulgent of his antics in the Filegate case, giving him wide latitude to issue subpoenas. Whether Lamberth has succumbed to Klayman out of ideology, permissiveness, or fear of reprisal it is impossible to say. Last week, Lamberth did finally throw out a fishing-expedition type subpoena Klayman sent to New Yorker writer Jane Mayer. After Mayer reported Linda Tripp had lied about a youthful arrest for robbery, Klayman asserted Mayer had been fed the information by the Clinton secret police and that it was thus relevant to his Filegate case. It turns out, as Mayer wrote in The New Yorker this week, that her source on the robbery incident was Tripp's former stepmother--who has since agreed to go on the record. But Klayman still believes the White House fed the Tripp arrest story to Mayer. "She's not telling the truth about that," he says. "Were there Clinton private investigators working with her?" Maybe he'll ask his mom in her next deposition.
Klayman was permanently booted from ever appearing again in Judge Keller's court (because he accused Keller of racial hatred against Jews and Asians) in MacDraw Inc. [and Klayman & Associates] v. CIT Group Equipment Financing Inc. (2nd Cir. 1998) 138 F.3d 33 cert.denied (as In re Klayman) 525 US 874; and permanently booted from Judge Denny Chu's court for his own accusations about that judge's Asian ethnicity in Baldwin Hardware Corp. v. Franksu Enterprise Corp. [and Klayman & Associates] (Fed.Cir. 1996) 78 F.3d 550, 39 USPQ2d 1090 cert.denied (as Klayman & Associates v. Baldwin Hardware Corp.) 519 US 949. These setbacks came back to haunt him when he tried to appear in court so someone could sue a pro-Clinton journalist in a NY lawsuit and the NY court, having been told that he was never the target of a disciplinary action, found these (and similar) cases and refused to admit him pro hac vice. Stern v. Burkle (NY County Supm.Ct. 9/6/07) 238 NYLJ 51.
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Other lawyers (e.g. F. Lee Bailey) have had rocky roads but Klayman made his own problems by insulting judges when it could not possibly help him.
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I think we've found the Attorney General of Frikintardistan.
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Larry Klayman has started - or at least made conspicuous - his trolling for an assassin:

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/k ... ite-people
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And now, Larry presents the big one: Press Release

News Story quoted below
Sgt. Demetrick Pennie, a 17-year veteran of the force, is seeking between $500 million and $1.5 billion in the complaint filed in federal court, the Dallas Morning News reported.

The defendants in the class-action suit include Black Lives Matter; President Obama; Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton; the Rev. Al Sharpton; Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan and billionaire activist George Soros.

"Defendants incite people to violence and cause violence by telling those people that they are under attack. Defendants are encouraging disaffected blacks, Black Muslims, Muslims and others allied with them including certain whites to ignore, disrespect, and assault law enforcement officials, and commit violence and lethal force,” the lawsuit states, according to the paper.

The lawsuit alleges the defendants "have repeatedly incited their supporters and others to engage in threats of and attacks to cause serious bodily injury or death upon police officers and other law enforcement persons of all races and ethnicities."
PDF Amended Complaint

I do notice that in the amended complaint, to which Klayman is a named defendant, he identifies himself as:
LARRY KLAYMAN,
a Natural Person and Resident of Florida,
on behalf of himself and other law enforcement
officers deceased or alive similarly situated
I did not know he was a law enforcement officer? Apparently he thinks he is:
Plaintiff Larry Klayman (“Klayman”) is a Florida citizen, who is a Caucasian messianic Jew. What the heck is that, and why is it relevant?Klayman is a part of law enforcement as a former federal prosecutor of the U.S. Department of Justice, as a former public official as a Failedcandidate for U.S. Senate, as the founder of Judicial Watch and Freedom Watch That makes him a LOE, wow! whose mission is to enforce the rule of law and fight against racism, public corruption, and to further civil rights and equality for all persons under the U.S. Constitution file frivioulsous lawsuits, in order to rais the profile of Judicial watch and Freedom, watch. Klayman has been highly visible and active in defending police, other law enforcement officials, Jews, Christians and Israel and opposing Defendants’ efforts to stir up racial, ethnic and religious conflict to suit their agendas in every area of American life in court and in public and Failed each and every time. At all times relevant to this action, Klayman has been present in the United States of America Unfortunatly we can't get rid of him before and at the time that innocent police officers and other law enforcement officials of all races, ethnicities have been subjected to threats and actual violence that has resulted in severe bodily injury or death as a result of Defendants’ promotion and incitement of riots and violent acts including the killing and serious bodily injury against police officers and other law enforcement persons of all races and ethnicities including but not limited to Jews, Christians and Caucasians. He has also been present before and at the time Defendants called for and incited such violence. He was subject to, and continues to be subject to, fear and intimidation of serious bodily injury or death by those who wish to harm him and police officers and other law enforcement persons of all races and ethnicities including but not limited to Jews, Christians and Caucasians in unlawful acts to promote and implement a race war. As a high profile Caucasian messianic Jew, Klayman imminently fears great bodily and death and thus harm as a result of Defendants’ promotion and incitement of riots and violent acts, including death and great bodily harm, against police officers and other law enforcement persons of all races and ethnicities including but not limited to Jews, Christians and Caucasians. Klayman and his family has already been so threatened with serious bodily injury or death since the filing of the initial complaint.
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KKKlayman's latest publicity and grandstanding effort to place a class action suit that neither he nor the only other named party actually have standing to file. As with ALL his other efforts, it will eventually be struck for any number of defects, including but not limited to, no standing, failure to serve or properly serve named parties, failure to prosecute, just general failure. In other words typical KKKlayman.

Incidentally, he just got bounced from the 9th in his latest effort, it isn't official yet, but they effectively took him apart on all his claims at the hearing. He never actually did get around to explaining why he should have been allowed PHV, argued about everything else, which gives you an idea of how good an argument he had.
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Just was wondering why no news organizations covering the story has called Klayman out on his string of Victories defeats? Along with the link above, I found 5 more, almost identical articles, none point out Klayman's record or his discipline by multiple state Bar associations.

http://www.theroot.com/articles/news/20 ... s-lawsuit/
http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/17/black ... -race-war/
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/09/ ... -race-war/
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/local-ne ... olence.ece
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... es-black-/

Yet, this announcement will likely result in his organizations raising money. How any news organization finds anything Klayman related (Other than his being disciplined by another Bar association) is worthy of being news, is beyond me,
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KKKlayman is basically grifting, all he is interested in is the money and the notoriety, his win loss record on the other hand is staggering, in the negative sense.
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Klayman objected to the pro hac vice application of a lawyer named Abdul Arif Muhammad to represent Louis Farrakhan. In Klayman's irrefutable logic,
Mr. Muhammad is widely known as the attorney for the Nation of Islam. As Plaintiff has alleged in his Complaint, the Nation of Islam advocates the killing of Jews and Caucasians as a fundamental tenet of its system of beliefs. See Docket No. 1 ¶¶ 50-102. Specifically, “Defendant Farrakhan called for angry blacks and black Muslims to ‘stalk them and kill them’ (Jews and Caucasians) as the ‘400 year old enemy.’” Docket No. 1 ¶ 67. Defendant Farrakhan has attacked Judiasm as a “gutter religion” and Israel as an “outlaw nation.” Docket No. 1 ¶ 100. Plaintiff, who is Jewish, takes great offense to these statements.
Therefore, any lawyer who would represent NoI is ipso facto unfit to practice law. As a lawyer who has represented accused terrorists, I take great offense to these statements. But then I remember that it was Klayman who wrote them, and I finish my coffee.

And irony meters around the world pegged when Klayman - who may well hold the record for denied PHV applications - objects to someone else's. BTW, Judge Lindsay granted Muhammad's motion.

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In other words another great moment for KKKlayman, wholesale destroyer of irony meters.
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While we haven't addressed Klayman in a while, that hardly means that he has stopped being an idiot, an embarrassment to a profession notoriously difficult to embarrass. For example, over the last couple of years he has filed no fewer than four different suits in District Court in D.C. against Obama and a number of people from his administrations, claiming all sorts of stupidity. DJ Richard J. Leon has already dismissed three. I have been wondering why Klayman has not been declared a vexatious ligitant - or even disbarred - by now. He certainly deserves both.

Well, it may be karma time. Last month, Judge Leon issued an order to show cause giving Klayman thirty days to show why the last remaining case should not be dismissed as well. Yesterday - the thirtieth day - Klayman in his own inimitable manner explains why:
It is clear, given the recent dismissal of Klayman I, Klayman II, and Klayman IV that this Court has “lost interest” and will not allow any legitimate case concerning the continuing violation of the Constitution by the intelligence agencies and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FB!) (sic) to proceed to discovery and trial
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It would appear that the Court must have been threatened by the intelligence community and that ex parte communications must have occurred in this regard
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In the last pleading filed in Klayman IV, Plaintiffs asked the Court to disclose “whether it has been contacted by the FBI and the intelligence agencies.” ECF No. 46. The Plaintiffs in this case make the same request of the Court to disclose this information within 5 business days. If a response is not made, then Plaintiffs in all related cases will forward the matter to appropriate authorities, assuming there is any entity or person left in the nation’s law enforcement establishment that has not been compromised or is willing to take on the Defendants for fear that their personal and professional lives will also be smeared in public leaks and disclosures.
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It now appears that your Honor too has been coopted by the so called “Deep State” . . . The nation is living under what amounts to an Orwellian police state and this Court apparently has also fallen victim to it.
We can hope that the Court will treat finally Klayman for what he is - a contumacious asshole.
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Has anyone ever asked what the proponents of the 'Deeo State' actually is, what it does and just how it does it?

It seems to me that the public 'State' has enough problems in its day to day functioning at the executive level without some sinister covert forces butting in. It does seem to do a fairly good job with routine matters.
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Larry has a bad day.

https://www.wonkette.com/court-ordered- ... ry-klayman

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