Anthony Williams - Private Attorney General

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Re: Anthony Williams - Private Attorney General

Postby Burnaby49 » Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:45 am

I think the three/five letter scheme they all seem to eventually employ was originally American. It was big in Vancouver (I have piles of them I've collected) because of Menard and Chief Sino Rock General but I think they filtched it from the States.

Any use of the strawman is based on prior American practice.
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Re: Anthony Williams - Private Attorney General

Postby notorial dissent » Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:50 am

I agree that the lawful rebellion and the WeRe Bank are far and away more original than anything else they have come up with, but there have been versions of the magik bank sca,s floating around here for years, although I will admit that I don't think most of them got quite as far as WeRe did, but then our local banking and fraud laws tend to stomp rather hard on that sort of thing, were the UK doesn't seem to. I have seen variations on the MC spiel but, our pretenders just don't have the feel for it their UK cousins have. Although they didn't fare any better than the UK denizens have so I'd put it at a draw. The UK crowd embroider better I will say, even if it is to the same dead end.
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Re: Anthony Williams - Private Attorney General

Postby arayder » Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:02 pm

Burnaby49 wrote:Not entirely true. When the Freeman movement started in Canada it was quite creative, mainly because of our now disgraced Robert Menard. As that paper by Barbara Parry said;

Netolitzsky (2016a, pp. 624-627) traces the origins of the FOTL in Canada to “…the extremes of
politically leftist, “green,” anti-globalization, marijuana advocacy, social activist, and antigovernment
communities” active in Canada during the early 2000s. He notes that the movement was the sole creation of a British Columbian street comedian, Robert Arthur Menard, who cobbled
together the ideological basis for the Canadian Freemen by borrowing from previous antigovernment
thinkers like Mary Elizabeth Croft (2007) and from the core teachings of the Canadian
Detaxer movement. Although the Canadian Freemen emerged from the far-left of the political
spectrum, they are also indelibly influenced by the core tenets of American right-wing antigovernment
ideology – especially the Sovereign Citizens, as noted above – that “trickled up” into
Canada via the Internet and seminars offered by American anti-government ideologues (see,
Hofmann, forthcoming).


So he moved the movement from the American left wing to th Canadian right wing and added creative touches of his own.

And not all of the British idiocy is imported from Canada and the US. That moronic lawful rebellion is a home-grown product, as was the WeRe Bank.


It is interesting to note that Peter of England has some pretty xenophobic views.

One of the tenets of freeman, detax and sovcit philosophy is that authority figures like judges, legislators and police officers are "the others", persons so different and flawed the they are capable of chucking the ethics usually attributed to public servants in order to heap tyrannies on the public.

From there it's only a psychological hop, step and jump to the far right nation that "the others" include Jews, gays and people of color.

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Re: Anthony Williams - Private Attorney General

Postby fortinbras » Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:11 pm

There was an odd leftwing ancestry to the American movement, which sort of pre-dated the militia movement. There were a sort of a ultra-hippies ... back-to-nature types who abjured capitalism and frerquently anything involving money, who set up what were intended to be entirely self-sufficient communes in isolated places, where they would raise their own food, make their own furniture, conjure up their own medicine, invent their own substitutes for things (such as toilet paper and batteries), and as a generality never have to go into town to buy stuff ever again. Their children were born without birth certificates and without vaccinations and without being sent to schools. Since they never spent or received money, they never paid taxes. I am not aware of their notions on marriage. Some of these communes lasted a considerable time and some may still be in existence.

At approximately the same time (the tail end of the Vietnam War) there were stories of serious PTSD'd Vietnam vets who could not quite adjust to civilian life in houses and paved streets, and who chose to vanish into the great forests and wildnernesses of America. At least there are such stories. By now those guys would be my age (70).

Also approximately the same time William Gale started up the Sheriff's Posse Comitatus, having no sheriff, recruiting a sort of self-appointed vigilante group of troublemakers, who would supposedly enforce a sort of comic book version of the law. I heard stories of them threatening to hang various govt officials, but I never heard of them actually doing it. Mostly they filed bogus liens and crazy lawsuits, including against judges - including against judges they never even met just to prevent any judge in the state from acting in a case (such as a traffic or a criminal case) in which they were the defendant.

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Re: Anthony Williams - Private Attorney General

Postby arayder » Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:36 pm

fortinbras wrote: Also approximately the same time William Gale started up the Sheriff's Posse Comitatus, having no sheriff, recruiting a sort of self-appointed vigilante group of troublemakers, who would supposedly enforce a sort of comic book version of the law. I heard stories of them threatening to hang various govt officials, but I never heard of them actually doing it. Mostly they filed bogus liens and crazy lawsuits, including against judges - including against judges they never even met just to prevent any judge in the state from acting in a case (such as a traffic or a criminal case) in which they were the defendant.


The "we are peace officers" hallucination is one part of Posse Comitatus fantasy freemen and the like have adopted as part of their wet dream.

There are certainly problems withal enforcement in just about every western democracy. But the idea of entrusting the public peace to a dysfunctional subculture like freemandia is just plain nuts.

[Mod deletes hack at Menard. arayder, you're actually giving credence to a Menard claim - that you're stalking him. - WS]

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Re: Anthony Williams - Private Attorney General

Postby Gregg » Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:15 pm

arayder wrote:
It is interesting to note that Peter of England has some pretty xenophobic views.

One of the tenets of freeman, detax and sovcit philosophy is that authority figures like judges, legislators and police officers are "the others", persons so different and flawed the they are capable of chucking the ethics usually attributed to public servants in order to heap tyrannies on the public.

From there it's only a psychological hop, step and jump to the far right nation that "the others" include Jews, gays and people of color.


Included high on the list of "others" now is people with education. I have been derided for having a doctorate, Harvard and even one particular nut who made much (in a car plant,mind you) of my having attended the "secretive, overseas college he attended with long ties to socialist and even communist ties". (LSE :haha: )
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Re: Anthony Williams - Private Attorney General

Postby NYGman » Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:24 pm

Gregg wrote:Included high on the list of "others" now is people with education. I have been derided for having a doctorate, Harvard and even one particular nut who made much (in a car plant,mind you) of my having attended the "secretive, overseas college he attended with long ties to socialist and even communist ties". (LSE :haha: )


But those "long ties" aren't always socialist or communist...

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Re: Anthony Williams - Private Attorney General

Postby arayder » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:05 pm

This time Burnaby49 deleted your post. We've had enough of your content-free ranting about freemen and nazis. Particularly when it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic in this discussion. You want to share your obsession about Menard, freemen, and all the nazi holocaust deniers? Feel free but do it somewhere else.

I second the above comments. If you can't post something germane to the topic, DON'T.

If you feel the need to rant, by all means do so, elsewhere. Wordpress makes a perfectly usable account for that purpose. Go. Get. One. Take your personal vendettas and do your ranting there, not here.

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Re: Anthony Williams - Private Attorney General

Postby arayder » Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:41 am

Gregg wrote:
arayder wrote:
It is interesting to note that Peter of England has some pretty xenophobic views.

One of the tenets of freeman, detax and sovcit philosophy is that authority figures like judges, legislators and police officers are "the others", persons so different and flawed the they are capable of chucking the ethics usually attributed to public servants in order to heap tyrannies on the public.

From there it's only a psychological hop, step and jump to the far right nation that "the others" include Jews, gays and people of color.


Included high on the list of "others" now is people with education. I have been derided for having a doctorate, Harvard and even one particular nut who made much (in a car plant,mind you) of my having attended the "secretive, overseas college he attended with long ties to socialist and even communist ties". (LSE :haha: )


The "others" now include anyone who wants to speak his mind.


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