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Re: Sovrun Cattle - The Sagebrush Saga of Cliven Bundy
Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2016 8:58 pm
by notorial dissent
Both the above comments are quite true and can, and would have an effect on the other defendants. The one thing they missed, or at least didn't expand sufficiently is that at some point, one or more of the group defendants is going to start throwing the others under the proverbial bus in the vein of it wasn't me doing all those illegal things it was someone else. One of the defendants was already upset that one of the Bundy lawyers was pursuing a course that did not protect the other defendants. Surprise surprise, that is how it works. I suspect there will be a lot of residual splatter, but there should be enough to go around to guarantee them all nice long prison sentences.
Re: Sovrun Cattle - The Sagebrush Saga of Cliven Bundy
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 6:55 pm
by Jeffrey
Probably tangentially related and old news, but I just noticed that Pete Santilli was mixed up with Neil Keenan, the guy promoting the Dragon Family nonsense:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL7kW_-cfmw
Which draws a neat little nexus between the Bundy Saga and the Dragon Family thread.
Re: Sovrun Cattle - The Sagebrush Saga of Cliven Bundy
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 9:57 pm
by The Observer
Yes, the sad thing is that, like the fact all roads lead to Rome, in this case all the roads of Frickingtardistan intersect each other multiple times.
Re: Sovrun Cattle - The Sagebrush Saga of Cliven Bundy
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:26 am
by ArthurWankspittle
The Observer wrote:Yes, the sad thing is that, like the fact all roads lead to Rome, in this case all the roads of Frickingtardistan intersect each other multiple times.
and lead back on themselves.
Re: Sovrun Cattle - The Sagebrush Saga of Cliven Bundy
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 7:00 pm
by grixit
The devil's basket weaving.
Re: Sovrun Cattle - The Sagebrush Saga of Cliven Bundy
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 2:13 pm
by rogfulton
Re: Sovrun Cattle - The Sagebrush Saga of Cliven Bundy
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:49 pm
by The Observer
Link is resulting in a "page not found."
Re: Sovrun Cattle - The Sagebrush Saga of Cliven Bundy
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:28 pm
by rogfulton
Re: Sovrun Cattle - The Sagebrush Saga of Cliven Bundy
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:55 pm
by JamesVincent
The link works but Bundy never ran cattle on his homestead, that was the problem. Unless someone has made a gather they're still running on BLM land
Re: Sovrun Cattle - The Sagebrush Saga of Cliven Bundy
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:20 pm
by rogfulton
Hyperbole?
Re: Sovrun Cattle - The Sagebrush Saga of Cliven Bundy
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:00 pm
by wserra
Nope. Hyperbulle.
Re: Sovrun Cattle - The Sagebrush Saga of Cliven Bundy
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:15 pm
by notorial dissent
WES!!!!
Re: Sovrun Cattle - The Sagebrush Saga of Cliven Bundy
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:01 pm
by Jeffrey
Ryan Bundy is allegedly trying more traditional legal strategies:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... a-standoff
Re: Sovrun Cattle - The Sagebrush Saga of Cliven Bundy
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:41 pm
by Famspear
From the news report linked above:
In a pretrial hearing on Monday in court in Portland, federal officials accused Ryan of attempting to escape Multnomah county jail, disclosing that deputies found the inmate on 8 April with torn sheets braided together under his mattress, the Oregonian reported.
Prosecutors said that deputies also found two strips of torn sheets, extra pillowcases, towels and unauthorized food containers.
Bundy responded that he was a “rancher trying to practice braiding rope”, adding: “It’s self-serving speculation and simply not true, your honor,” according to Oregon Public Broadcasting.
Heck, ah mean, whut’s a cowboy tuh doo when he’s cooped up in a jail cell? Knittin'? Shucks, that's woman's work!
Gotta practice mah rope-makin’, pardner!
Re: Sovrun Cattle - The Sagebrush Saga of Cliven Bundy
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:34 pm
by notorial dissent
Except that rope ISN'T braided, it is wound.
Re: Sovrun Cattle - The Sagebrush Saga of Cliven Bundy
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:39 am
by The Observer
From the article:
In March, in an unusual move, Ryan decided to represent himself in court and waived his right to counsel.
No, going
pro se not an unusual move for a sovrun. In fact it is a
de riguer move for a sovrun. Throw a sovrun into court and they cannot help but immediately make a motion to dismiss their public defender and request to represent themselves. It is as if it is some genetic anomaly that propels themselves towards a legal disaster.
Only if it were you or I would requesting
pro se status would it be an unusual move.
Re: Sovrun Cattle - The Sagebrush Saga of Cliven Bundy
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:48 am
by LaVidaRoja
The adage "He who represents himself has a fool for a client." is probably most specifically true in a criminal case.
Re: Sovrun Cattle - The Sagebrush Saga of Cliven Bundy
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:11 am
by notorial dissent
Ryan is going for the I'm really really stupid defense, and so far his actions have borne that out perfectly. More appropriately he is an idiot with an idiot for a client. He is going pro se because big brother got all the available grift, what little there was, to get two really really incompetent legal firms in a row to represent him, well actually just get him in deeper, but it is what he wants, it remains to be seen if the current crop will try and go as sovcit as the last batch, but early days yet, and they have no more CDL experience than the prior crew, so good times. He has in the meantime been complaining almost non-stop about how hard it is to plan a defense, or do anything, when he is locked up with no lawyer, seriously. His actual plan, it appears, is that he is going to, he thinks, crib whatever big brother's brilliant legal trust 
comes up with and do a sort of joint defense that way. 
I don't think that will work out too well either, for either of them.
Re: Sovrun Cattle - The Sagebrush Saga of Cliven Bundy
Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:46 am
by Jeffrey
In a truly delightful turn of events, Ryan Bundy is now trying Karl Lentz' material:
https://www.scribd.com/document/3195784 ... Ryan-Bundy
Discussion on fogbow.
http://thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... start=7625
Re: Sovrun Cattle - The Sagebrush Saga of Cliven Bundy
Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 12:20 pm
by notorial dissent
Ryan has filed all sorts of true sovcit meaningless gibberish, and is apparently quite pleased with himself. Included is one unintentionally true and factual document declaring officially to the court that he 'is an idiot and an incompetent" all of which are a howl to read. It is very likely that the court will shortly terminate both his and Medenback's pro se privileges for failure to follow court rules and directives. Medenback was on the old standby invalid oath routine. Judge wasn't amused and isn't playing.