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Gregg wrote:I have a cousin Crissy whose real name is Christmas Eve.
No chance she lives in the same building as Gary Coleman and some nice folks looking to open a school for people of fur?

My mother earned her middle name (Edrie) from the title of a trashy pulp novel her mother had been reading.
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Burzmali wrote:
Gregg wrote:I have a cousin Crissy whose real name is Christmas Eve.
No chance she lives in the same building as Gary Coleman and some nice folks looking to open a school for people of fur?

My mother earned her middle name (Edrie) from the title of a trashy pulp novel her mother had been reading.
In Hawaii, I have a third cousin named Edrienne, one named Edene, one named Ernell and one named Ehren... all children of Ed and a mother whose name escapes me but which begins with an E. Ernell uses her middle name of Noelani....
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I almost ended up Sara Lee, after the busty nurse who assisted in my delivery. Dad lost that one.
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webhick wrote:I almost ended up Sara Lee, after the busty nurse who assisted in my delivery. Dad lost that one.
An old girlfriend (and longtime good friend, who my wife and I will be visiting in Texas, in a couple of weeks), was to be Sara Lee -- but just before she was born the brand name appeared, so she became Sara Margaret.
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My grandfather and his first wife (he married my widowed grandmother after he became a widower) named their daughters: Bertha, Beatrice, Harriet (the twins, Batty and Hattie), Gertrude, and Ethel. These women were all born in rural S.C. between about 1885 and 1906. I have no idea where the names came from; none were Southern, Biblical, or family names. Maybe the names were popular in fiction or the names of European royalty, or something. Any ideas?
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In one of the four towns abolished to make way for the Quabbin Reservoir (Pottapaug Mountain is on the northeastern part of the reservation), someone decided to name their twin daughers Tryphena and Tryphosa.

In this valley, for many years, it was considered a sin to give a child a name which did not appear in the Bible. Thus, there were many men named Abijah, Ezekiel, Hezekiah, Elijah and the like... which tended to morph into Bije, Zekle, Hez, Lije and the like. Let's also not forget the baby boy born into the Ayres family of Prescott, not too long after Argentina won its independence from Spain. Of course, the baby was named Buenos.

And, later, a Dietrick family welcomed twin boys into their midst. One boy was named Rick. Three guesses what his brother was named....
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Prof wrote:My grandfather and his first wife (he married my widowed grandmother after he became a widower) named their daughters: Bertha, Beatrice, Harriet (the twins, Batty and Hattie), Gertrude, and Ethel. These women were all born in rural S.C. between about 1885 and 1906. I have no idea where the names came from; none were Southern, Biblical, or family names. Maybe the names were popular in fiction or the names of European royalty, or something. Any ideas?
Popular names are often just cyclical and fall in and out of fashion. When I started working for the Canadian Income Tax department in 1975 I reviewed a lot of date-of-death tax returns. There were all kinds of Berthas, Gertrudes, Beatrices, Olives, and other names you never hear any more. They just happened to be popular names at the end of the 19th century. Who knows how many Tanners, Tiffanys, Seans and Tylers there will be a hundred years from now?
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FwIW Prof, I can find those very same names in abundance in my own family from that time period on all sides, just as in the generation or so back I find lots of president's names. It is mostly a matter of fashion of the day.
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LIBERTY DOLLAR NEWS:
October 2012 Vol. 14 No. 10

Prison May Be the Next Stop

Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters!

Table of Contents:
1. Legal Update
2. Prison May Be the Next Stop
3. Additional Articles re The Times
4. Bernard von NotHaus' Accomplishment
5. Beer on Tap
6. The Potential for Private Money
7. The Case For Monetary Freedom
8. Bitcoin Prevents Monetary Tyranny
9. Welcome to Wild Colorado!
10. And Oklahoma is Packin'

1. Legal Update
If I was not facing 22 years in federal prison, I might be inclined to say this is getting boring! Thankfully, anxiety bars that from happening. Plus as I have pointed out before the arrest and conviction, I had no idea as to what it would take to return our great country to a value based currency. Guess what?! I still don't know what it will take. Hopefully it will not take 22 years in prison. But I decided to make a stand. And I am appreciative that many of you decided to join me. So, here we stand, waiting for Judge Voorhees to take action and hope for the best. As of October 18, it has been nineteen months since my conviction. WOW, in a few more months, I could be back in court on the second anniversary of my conviction. Whenever, I hope some of you might join me.

2. Prison May Be the Next Stop -
Well now all is lost! Now the mainstream media has discovered the Liberty Dollar. I didn't ever think this would happen! Not only was the interview very enjoyable here in Malibu - the article in the New York Times, of all places, was terrific. And while the Liberty Dollar has been covered in hundreds of newspapers since my conviction, The Times lived up to the standards that makes it one of the top papers in the country. Or, maybe more accurately, Alan Feuer did some fine writing and the editors, "let it be." Seriously, the full page article, "Prison May Be the Next Stop on a Gold Currency Journey" was very well written as Alan sorted out tons of material that we covered during our extensive four hour interview.

The article opens with: High above the cliff tops and the beach bars, up a winding mountain road, in a borrowed house on someone else's ranch, an unusual criminal is waiting for his fate. And closes with: "The thing that fires me up the most," he will say, "is this is what happens: When money goes bad, people go crazy. Do you know why? Because they can't exist without value. Value is intrinsic in man."

Please click HERE and judge for yourself. I would love to hear your comments via Bernard@LibertyDollarNews.org

Thanks Alan for your interest and the fine reporting.

The New York Sun wrote a very eloquent and well reasoned editorial: 'Rosa Parks' of the Dollar in response to The Times article. It addresses an important point of the Liberty Dollar case that The Times article failed to address.
Please click HERE for the 'Rosa Parks' Editorial.


3. Additional Articles re The Times
The Times article was picked up by an amazing number of newspapers, sites and blogs.
Here are just a few. Please search "new york times" + nothaus for more articles.

The Dilemma of False Terrorism


Sound Money Advocate Faces Terminal Jail Sentence


Gold "Liberty Dollar" Creator Awaits His Sentence


Bernard von NotHaus, Awaiting Sentencing for Competing with the Federal Reserve with a Hard Money "Liberty Dollar"


Liberty Dollar creator awaits his fate


Liberty Dollar Creator Awaiting Prison: When Money Goes Bad, People Go Crazy


4. Bernard von NotHaus' Accomplishment
By Nathan Lewis for Forbes.com
A U.S. businessman, Bernard von NotHaus, established Liberty Services, which in 1998, began issuing an alternative currency based on gold. Although Liberty Services created gold and silver coins, a far more interesting development was the issuance of small denomination paper banknotes. These represented warehouse receipts for gold and silver bullion, held in a vault in Idaho. [Technically the paper certificates did not "represent", they WERE warehouse receipts. And a warehouse receipts were not "banknote" as Liberty Services was not a bank.]

By introducing small-denomination notes, von NotHaus created a system with enough utility to conceivably compete with and displace the existing floating fiat dollar, in some situations. This apparently scared someone in Washington, because von NotHaus was harshly persecuted by the federal government. In 2009, he was arrested and charged with numerous crimes related to counterfeiting, although the Liberty Dollar notes and coins bore no resemblance to Federal Reserve Notes. In 2011, he was convicted on several counts, faced up to 22 years of jail time, and was declared a domestic terrorist by the FBI.

Thus, we have to give credit where it is due: to Bernard von NotHaus, for introducing the first, and apparently only, gold-based system of small-denomination paper banknotes since the end of the world gold standard in 1971. He doesn't seem to be well appreciated here in the U.S., but perhaps those large Chinese banks will learn something from his accomplishment, and implement it in China.

Editor Note by BVNH: While several hundred articles have been written re the Liberty Dollar over the past 14 years, this is the first article that actually acknowledges me to be the first and only person to issue gold-based warehouse receipts and even used my name in the title. I consider this a unique honor as I respect Lewis as being the point person working towards a new gold standard, for the huge volume and quality of his on-going work and his book: Gold: The Once and Future Money. His work is outstanding and a must read. Click HERE for his archived work or visit www.newworldeconomics.com for additional info. Thanks Nate.

The complete article is available HERE.

5. Beer on Tap by Seth Lipsky, the notable editor of the New York Sun
This is the most important monetary case this year! The case with the biggest potential impact before the federal courts this year is not the saga of Obamacare. There's no gainsaying that Obamacare was an important case, and it's hard to sugarcoat the majority opinion vouchsafing the power of Congress to impose a mandate for health insurance via the taxing power. But what does one figure that will impact-5 percent of Americans? Twenty? Twenty-five? How about a case that has, if only on the ricochet, the potential to impact everyone who uses American money?

Welcome to Beer v. United States, a lawsuit brought by a rainbow coalition of some of the most distinguished judges on the federal bench. They are suing-in their own court system-for a raise in their pay. They contend that when Congress suspended an automatic pay increase previously legislated to protect the judges against inflation, it violated the Constitution - specifically, the diminishment clause, which says that the compensation for federal judges "shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office."

Please click HERE for the complete article.

Additional info re Beer v United States is HERE.

Here is another major article re Beer v. United States by Seth Lipsky

Is Legal Tender Next?

The United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit, sitting en banc, handed down the ruling on Friday. The ruling hasn't received much coverage in the press, though - at least in our view - it's one of the most important cases of our time. The reason is that it has to do not only with the question of need for Congress to keep its promises and the need to attract a first class judiciary but also the question of constitutional money.

The judges turn out to be a special case because it is unconstitutional ever to diminish their pay. This is American bedrock that was laid down by the Founders because of the British tyrant George III. The king made judges dependent "on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries," as America's revolutionaries put it in the Declaration of Independence. So it was written into the United States Constitution that the compensation of judges "shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office."

The court deciding Beer didn't get into legal tender per se. But the legal tender question is the elephant in the courtroom, so to speak. If a dollar can't be diminished for judges - that is, if the legal tender laws are not good enough for judges - why should they be good enough for the rest of us? If they are not good enough for the contract between the government and judges, why should they be good enough for contracts between private parties?

I encourage you to read this terrific editorial HERE! Both articles are historic!

6. The Potential for Private Money
On May 23, 2012, Cato issued Policy Analysis no. 698 by Thomas L. Hogan an assistant professor of economics at West Texas A&M University titled: Competition in Currency: The Potential for Private Money written by Jon Matonis for Forbes

Privately issued money can benefit consumers in many ways, particularly in the areas of value stability and product variety. Decentralized currency production can benefit consumers by reducing inflation and increasing economic stability. Unlike a central bank, competing private banks must attract customers by providing innovative products, restricting the quantity of notes issued, and limiting the riskiness of their investing activities. Although the Federal Reserve currently has a de facto monopoly on the provision of currency in the United States, this was not always the case. Throughout most of U.S. history, private banks issued their own banknotes as currency. This practice continues today in a few countries and could be re-instituted in the United States with minimal changes to the banking system.

This paper examines two ways in which banks could potentially issue private money. First, U.S. banks could issue private notes redeemable for U.S. Federal Reserve notes. Considering that banks issuing private notes in Hong Kong, Scotland, and Northern Ireland earn hundreds of millions of dollars annually, it appears that U.S. banks may be missing an opportunity to earn billions of dollars in annual profits. Second, recent turmoil in the financial sector has increased demand for a stable alternative currency. Banks may be able to capture significant portions of the domestic and international currency markets with a private, commodity-based currency. Legislation clarifying the rights of private banks to issue currency could help clear the path toward a return to private money

Hogan writes that, "the lack of participants in the private banknote market appears to be due to the uncertain legal status of private note issue and the rigorous prosecution of currency-related crimes."

The complete article by Forbes is HERE.

Please click HERE for the complete Paper.

7. The Case For Monetary Freedom
Recently, Forbes published Ron Paul's The Case for Monetary Freedom. In that work Paul states: I took the position that I wouldn't close the Federal Reserve down in one day. The Fed will close itself down eventually when it destroys the value of the dollar. But I don't want that to happen, either closing it down in one day or waiting for a collapse of the whole system. My idea is similar to what F. A. Hayek (1976, 1978) had talked about. Why don't we denationalize money, legalize competition, allow free markets to work, and allow free-market banking to work. I think we should legalize competition in currencies, which means that first we recognize the Constitution and repeal the legal tender laws.

As I have pointed out to Paul and this readership, there is NO need to repeal the legal tender laws before we take action. And to make this a requirement is a non-starter and damns any initial development. Please remember, I was NOT convicted of violating the legal tender laws because they don't apply to a private voluntary barter currency. In fact, I didn't violate any other federal laws! I remain convinced of my innocence.

Please click HERE for Paul's complete keynote address at the Cato Institute's 29th Annual Monetary Conference, November 16, 2011, in Washington, D.C. Why Monetary Freedom Matters.

Click HERE for the Forbes article.

8. Bitcoin Prevents Monetary Tyranny
Bitcoin is not about making rapid global transactions with little or no fee. Bitcoin is about preventing monetary tyranny. That is its raison d'être.

Monetary tyranny can take many ugly forms. It can be deliberate inflation, persecutory capital controls, prearranged defaults within the banking cartel, or even worse, blatant sovereign confiscation. Sadly, those threats are a potential in almost any jurisdiction in the world today. The United States does not have a monopoly on monetary repression and monetary tyranny.

The article covers extensive details about Doug Jackson and his e-gold project. It also details BVNH efforts with the Liberty Dollar and observes that many commentators have pointed out the absurdity of penalizing honest money to strengthen the facade of manipulated money.

Further contributing to the disturbing trend against monetary freedom and financial privacy are initiatives like the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act and that many countries are ready to embrace the promises of decentralized nonpolitical currency until it can come to terms with the fact that money in a free society should not be used for the purposes of identity and asset tracking.

This is another fine article by Jon Matonis for Forbes HERE.

9. Welcome to Wild Colorado!
There is no doubt that Colorado is not for a big intrusive federal government! Two major actions are in the works:

Colorado bill would legalize gold, silver currency
Colorado State Senators will consider a bill that would allow people to use gold and silver as currency. A similar measure is already in place in Utah and is being considered in 12 other states, reports CBS Station KCNC. Supporters are concerned about the strength of the U.S. dollar. The sponsors of the bill say they are concerned about the strength of the U.S. dollar, public debt, and currency devaluation.
"Over history just about every country in the world that has had a serious debt crisis has intentionally inflated their currency," Sen. Kent Lambert, R, told KCNC's Michelle Griego. More info HERE.

Colorado legalizes Cannabis
Fifty five percent of the voters in Colorado decided in favor of Amendment 64, which allows for the legal possession of up to one ounce of cannabis and/or the cultivation of up to six cannabis plants in private by those persons age 21 and over. NORML said, "The passage of these measures strikes a significant blow to federal cannabis prohibition. Like alcohol prohibition before it, marijuana prohibition is a failed federal policy that delegates the burden of enforcement to the state and local police. Alcohol prohibition fell when a sufficient number of states enacted legislation repealing the state's alcohol prohibition laws. With state police and prosecutors no longer engaging in the federal government's bidding to enforce an unpopular law, the federal government had little choice but to abandon the policy altogether. History is now repeating itself." More info HERE.

10. And Oklahoma is Packin'
Oklahoman's new law that makes guns a common sight has taken effect. Now anyone licensed to carry a concealed firearm can choose to carry a weapon out in the open, in a belt or shoulder holster, loaded or unloaded. Five minutes after midnight on Thursday, Mr. Hull and his friends - supporters of a gun rights group - marked the occasion by wearing their unconcealed handguns while dining at Beverly's, a 24-hour restaurant.

"It's just a peaceful assembly," said Mr. Hull, 44, the association's co-director. "We're all licensed by the state to carry. We've all been trained and vetted. Why wouldn't somebody want to have that kind of a group do business with them in their establishment?"

Please click HERE for the article.

More info on the Oklahoma Open Carry Association is available HERE.

Closing Remarks:
Did you happen to notice how many time Forbes is mentioned in this Newsletter? Six times! It would seem that Mr. Forbes, who is long time fan of the gold standard, is taking a more active role in bring the gold standard to the attention of the marketplace. Of course, that could be a huge assistance towards returning the country to a value based monetary system.

Many thanks for your continued support. For it is only by banding together and adopting a free and independent currency that provides us with "just weights and measures" will we be able to throw off the yoke of a manipulated monetary/tax system and generate a peaceful and prosperous society.

Thank you again for all your efforts to return America to value - one dollar at a time!

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LIBERTY DOLLAR NEWS:
Only if you redefine news.
Prison May Be the Next Stop
MAY? Dude, it IS the next stop for you.
Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters!
All one of you.
If I was not facing 22 years in federal prison, I might be inclined to say this is getting boring! Thankfully, anxiety bars that from happening.
I don't believe you're anxious. With all the reefer you've smoked, you'd have to experience an extinction level event to even get your pulse to quicken.
Plus as I have pointed out before the arrest and conviction, I had no idea as to what it would take to return our great country to a value based currency.
No, you seemed pretty sure that if everyone hedged their bets with your precious LD that the whole country would be better off. At least that's what you kept telling everyone.
Guess what?! I still don't know what it will take.
You're just upset that the government has a problem with you making money off making money.
Hopefully it will not take 22 years in prison.
It won't. It won't because you'll fade into obscurity within a year or two of incarceration. You'll be that old hippie in the corner babbling about making funny money and drawing your face on your cigarettes and trying to pass them off as twice the value as they actually are. I know, I know, it's based on the spot price of cigarettes at the commissary...
But I decided to make a stand.
More like a mint. Har har har.
And I am appreciative that many of you decided to join me.
Yes, a scam is not a scam without victims.
So, here we stand, waiting for Judge Voorhees to take action and hope for the best. As of October 18, it has been nineteen months since my conviction. WOW, in a few more months, I could be back in court on the second anniversary of my conviction. Whenever, I hope some of you might join me.
In your conviction? God, I don't have to wear orange, do I? I look terrible in orange. Completely washes me out.
Well now all is lost!
No, because you found a roach between the couch cushions. It's probably stale, though. You lost it months ago.
Now the mainstream media has discovered the Liberty Dollar.
I wouldn't say "discovered" so much as "there wasn't much else to report on."
I didn't ever think this would happen!
So all these years you were all like, "OH MY GOD THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING EVAR! ANYONE WHO HEARS ABOUT THIS AGREES! WE'RE EVERYWHERE AND EXPANDING! WE CLIMBIN' IN YO' WINDOWS, RAPIN' YO WALLET!" But now you're like, "Wow! Our wonderful little movement is gaining some attention! Aw, shucks, gee whiz!" Welcome to the no-fly zone, Bernie.

And that's all I have patience for today.
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Looks like eBay has banned the selling of LDs, thanks to a request by the Secret Service. Sorry, collectors - you're a bit SOL unless you can find a local dealer.

http://www.coinworld.com/Articles/ViewA ... ct-at-ebay
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The "Second Amendment Silver Dollar" is a half-ounce of pure silver (the so-called Liberty drachma was one full ounce). Today the price of silver is around $23/oz and this guy is charging more than $19 for a half-ounce. I think he's figured out a way to rob people without having to use a gun.

The Beer v. US decision actually took place about 7 months ago. Peter H. Beer v. United States (Fed. Cir., Oct 5, 2012) 696 F.3d 1174, held that judges had been invalidly deprived of pay increases by Congressional maneuvers to freeze pay increases across-the-board, the Supreme Court denied certiorari on April 22, 2013.
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Looks to me like the only way the suckers investors are going to be able to recover at least part of their loss is by melting the things down and selling the lump silver, otherwise, they could face having them confiscated as counterfeit by the Secret Service if they try and sell them. At this point I don't think I would take them out in public, like to a coin show and hope to hang on to them.
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Second link is the one leading to Von NotHaus
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Jeffrey Tucker wrote:He was later convicted of making counterfeit coins - an ironic conviction given that he was making silver coins to compete with official coins made out of scrap metal.
Uh, you left out the important part that he was overcharging people for the coins, at least twice what they were worth.
After all, the feds threw every conceivable charge at him. The jury didn't buy it, but finally did have to admit the he seemed to be producing and distributing what claimed to be dollars, but differed rather substantially from US government dollars.
I see. The jury didn't buy it, but for some strange reason were forced to convict him because the government lawyers structured their evidence, exhibits and arguments in such a way the jury couldn't avoid voting for conviction. Strange how the US Attorney's Office is able to do that 95%+ of the time.
Other services were simply distributive, such as Napster, which completely revolutionised music distribution, but was crushed by the feds in 2001...
Well, again you left out the important part. Napster was facilitating the theft of intellectual property that is protected under the laws.
The movement was not killed, despite every attempt. What it actually did was change the whole way we get our services, use the internet, and engage each other in our social and economic lives.
Yeah, now we pay for the intellectual property, as it was originally intended to be. Ever heard of iTunes? Do you know that Napster became a pay service as well?
There is nothing illegal about minting silver into round shapes and putting pictures on them. It's not even clear that there is anything wrong with calling it a dollar, provided he didn't try to claim it was
a government dollar
Except that is essentially what he tried to do. He told people to go into stores and venders and convince them that Liberty Dollars were worth their face value and that they should accept the coins in exchange for goods and services. And that is another important part of the story you are leaving out.
But they stopped Bernard, right? Didn't he fail?
Yes, indeed. That is what we back home call "guilty as charged."
Bitcoin is a brilliant combination of the Liberty Dollar's soundness and Napster's distribution methods, with a few extra features thrown in to protect it against shutdowns.
You just convinced me not to invest in Bitcoins; if they are as sound as Liberty Dollars, why would I even bother?
It's the American way, and it's the height of hypocrisy that he would be persecuted in the Land for the Free simply for having made a better mousetrap.
Only if we define and accept the "American way" as trying to rip off the consumer with overpriced, poorly designed coins, "persecuted" as putting on trial and convicting for counterfeiting, and "better mousetrap" as a pile of road apples.
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Recently, I was going through some old books when I found a piece of proposed private currency which I received, in the mail, years ago. The copyright date on the note is 1987; but I recall receiving it in the late 70s.

It looks, generally, like a banknote; and has the words GOLD STANDARD CERTIFICATE" where the words "FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE" appear on the $1 bill. In the spots, in the four corners, appears a capital G with two vertical lines drawn through it, like in a dollar sign, plus the numeral 1. The oval portrait is that of someone named E.C. Harwood; and over this head are the words "SOUND COMMERCIAL BANKING".

On the left side of the note are the words "GOLD IS NOT LEGAL TENDER. NO ONE IS OBLIGATED TO ACCEPT THIS CERTIFICATE IN PAYMENT OF DEBT." Below that is an oval piece of geometric scrollwork, with the word GOLD printed on it (the G has the two vertical lines); and below that are the words "SEPARATION OF MONEY AND STATE. MONEY BY CHOICE, NOT BY FORCE."

On the right side is the "bearer receipt no.", wth a LLNNNNNNL serial number format, then some more scrollwork with the word "ONE", and finally the signature of Conrad J. Braun, President of the Gold Standard Corporation.

On the reverse , outside of the repeated 'GOLD STANDARD CORPORATION" at the top, the "G1" spots in the corners, the "TRUST IN GOD" above the word "ONE", and the dollar-like scrollwork borders, is a series of text which essentially gives the bearer the right to exchange G100 of GSC certificates for one troy ounce of the GSC's "Gold Bullion Interchangeable Mintages", or a lesser amount of GSC certificates for a lesser amount of gold (1/2, 1/4, 1/10 or 1/20 ounce of gold).

And what, may you ask, came of this early effort to blaze the path followed, some years later by von Nuthouse and the Liberty Dollar? Well, for starters, try this:

http://chiefacoins.com/Database/Micro-N ... ration.htm

OOPSIE!
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Re: Gold Standard Certificate

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Pottapaug1938 wrote:Recently, I was going through some old books when I found a piece of proposed private currency which I received, in the mail, years ago. The copyright date on the note is 1987; but I recall receiving it in the late 70s.

It looks, generally, like a banknote; and has the words GOLD STANDARD CERTIFICATE" where the words "FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE" appear on the $1 bill. In the spots, in the four corners, appears a capital G with two vertical lines drawn through it, like in a dollar sign, plus the numeral 1. The oval portrait is that of someone named E.C. Harwood; and over this head are the words "SOUND COMMERCIAL BANKING".

On the left side of the note are the words "GOLD IS NOT LEGAL TENDER. NO ONE IS OBLIGATED TO ACCEPT THIS CERTIFICATE IN PAYMENT OF DEBT." Below that is an oval piece of geometric scrollwork, with the word GOLD printed on it (the G has the two vertical lines); and below that are the words "SEPARATION OF MONEY AND STATE. MONEY BY CHOICE, NOT BY FORCE."

On the right side is the "bearer receipt no.", wth a LLNNNNNNL serial number format, then some more scrollwork with the word "ONE", and finally the signature of Conrad J. Braun, President of the Gold Standard Corporation.

On the reverse , outside of the repeated 'GOLD STANDARD CORPORATION" at the top, the "G1" spots in the corners, the "TRUST IN GOD" above the word "ONE", and the dollar-like scrollwork borders, is a series of text which essentially gives the bearer the right to exchange G100 of GSC certificates for one troy ounce of the GSC's "Gold Bullion Interchangeable Mintages", or a lesser amount of GSC certificates for a lesser amount of gold (1/2, 1/4, 1/10 or 1/20 ounce of gold).

And what, may you ask, came of this early effort to blaze the path followed, some years later by von Nuthouse and the Liberty Dollar? Well, for starters, try this:

http://chiefacoins.com/Database/Micro-N ... ration.htm

OOPSIE!
I wish you had warned about the annoying time/date gif chasing the mouse pointer around the screen.

Or is that the OOPSIE?
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Re: Gold Standard Certificate

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rogfulton wrote:
Pottapaug1938 wrote:Recently, I was going through some old books when I found a piece of proposed private currency which I received, in the mail, years ago. The copyright date on the note is 1987; but I recall receiving it in the late 70s.

It looks, generally, like a banknote; and has the words GOLD STANDARD CERTIFICATE" where the words "FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE" appear on the $1 bill. In the spots, in the four corners, appears a capital G with two vertical lines drawn through it, like in a dollar sign, plus the numeral 1. The oval portrait is that of someone named E.C. Harwood; and over this head are the words "SOUND COMMERCIAL BANKING".

On the left side of the note are the words "GOLD IS NOT LEGAL TENDER. NO ONE IS OBLIGATED TO ACCEPT THIS CERTIFICATE IN PAYMENT OF DEBT." Below that is an oval piece of geometric scrollwork, with the word GOLD printed on it (the G has the two vertical lines); and below that are the words "SEPARATION OF MONEY AND STATE. MONEY BY CHOICE, NOT BY FORCE."

On the right side is the "bearer receipt no.", wth a LLNNNNNNL serial number format, then some more scrollwork with the word "ONE", and finally the signature of Conrad J. Braun, President of the Gold Standard Corporation.

On the reverse , outside of the repeated 'GOLD STANDARD CORPORATION" at the top, the "G1" spots in the corners, the "TRUST IN GOD" above the word "ONE", and the dollar-like scrollwork borders, is a series of text which essentially gives the bearer the right to exchange G100 of GSC certificates for one troy ounce of the GSC's "Gold Bullion Interchangeable Mintages", or a lesser amount of GSC certificates for a lesser amount of gold (1/2, 1/4, 1/10 or 1/20 ounce of gold).

And what, may you ask, came of this early effort to blaze the path followed, some years later by von Nuthouse and the Liberty Dollar? Well, for starters, try this:

http://chiefacoins.com/Database/Micro-N ... ration.htm

OOPSIE!
I wish you had warned about the annoying time/date gif chasing the mouse pointer around the screen.

Or is that the OOPSIE?
The "OOPSIE!" had to do with the way that Braun turned out to be just another conman pushing bullion investments upon credulous victims.
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