UK, Manchester - The "Droons" Strike Back

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UK, Manchester - The "Droons" Strike Back

Post by Normal Wisdom »

Does this represent a change of policy towards evictions? Here the police are not interested in engaging with the sovs or having a nice chat about their common law theories but take what might be called a "robust" approach to their responsibilities under the Courts Act 2003, Schedule 7 Para 5:

It is the duty of every constable, at the request of—
(a)an enforcement officer, or
(b)a person acting under the officer’s authority,
to assist the officer or that person in the execution of a writ or warrant.

The householder lost an appeal at court in the morning and the eviction occurred a couple of hours later. Despite a last minute appeal on GOODF and the "Eviction Fraud Of The Banks" Facebook page etc. , the sovs were unable to muster enough bodies to physically obstruct the bailiffs and police. Actually considering how the police seem to be equipped it would have been rather interesting if Mark "Seylon" Haining and Tom Crawford had turned up. In the event all the sovs could do was to hurl the usual insults and wave the ubiquitous cameras.

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I suspect that this was planned to avoid allowing time for the sov cit/FOTL types to organise any opposition. The TAU is the newer posh name for the old Riot Squad and they are not to be messed with. If anything had kicked off there, half the sov cit/FOTL types would be found in A & E under arrest in the next few hours.
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Would probably do them some good and serve as a wake up call.
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Normal Wisdom wrote:Does this represent a change of policy towards evictions? Here the police are not interested in engaging with the sovs or having a nice chat about their common law theories but take what might be called a "robust" approach ...
Excellent. It will be amusing if the recent wave of organised bailiff-obstruction leads to the Police stepping in earlier. This crowd of obese (00:29!), tattooed layabouts would've been trampled if they had tried to interfere with the TAU section.
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I noticed that it took quite a few swings of the heavy "hammer" to get the door open. Perhaps the police initially on the scene reckoned that the usual locksmith approach wouldn't work, so they needed something heavier. The choice was to come back another day, probably facing a bigger crowd, or get the job done swiftly.

The SovCits kept complaining it was all over a £6000 debts. But in one video, the householder said to camera that the debt had escalated to seventy-something thousand.

In the face of taunts from the crowd, the TAU acted professionally, by ignoring them. Very sensibly, the crowd didn't try anything physical.
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This may also be a police response to the antics of Wesley Ahmeds "Beat the bailiffs response team" organisation. In regard to the volume of the debt, it probably started out as being a couple of thousand, which lets face it, is a large amount to owe but not something that couldn't have been dealt with reasonably, regardless of a persons actual financial circumstances. It's not an amount you should lose your home over. But this debt likely escalated as a result of the attempts to avoid paying it and as enforcement action was sought.

At least we didn't have that guitar playing loon who Wesley loves to film singing his annoyingly catchy ditty about the GMP.
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The rabble complained, as they always do, that the police operate on behalf of corporations.

SovCits frequently complain that corporations are evil. Further, that the purpose of companies is so the owners can hide behind a corporate veil and evade personal responsibility.

This case appears to be the opposite. A company didn't pay its bills, at least £6000 of which it owed to the community. The bill eventually came to £76,000 ("Ken" on video at 13m 0s). Perhaps Ken owns the business and has given personal guarantees to pay its debts. We might think that SovCits would be delighted that a business is being brought to book.

This is classic SovCit double-think comedy. Successful businesses are bad, but when they can't or won't pay their bills they suddenly demand our sympathy. (Eg a shop that declines to pay tax.) Banks are fraudulent and magic up their own money, but a bank that is clearly fraudulent and says it will magic up money is somehow good.
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PeanutGallery wrote:This may also be a police response to the antics of Wesley Ahmeds "Beat the bailiffs response team" organisation.
And a good thing too. If the Police provide serious attendance for all disputed repo's, then the thuggish "response mob" are out of business. Just need to change the rules of the game for a few months.

There's obviously a big emotional pay-off from preventing an eviction, if you have convinced yourself that it's terribly unfair and you're standing up for the little man. You'll go home suffused with pride and satisfaction. You will attend in future, and you will bring friends.

But if the Police are prepared and ready to ensure the court order is carried out, the blustering mob tactic fails. The most they can do is stand and watch, unless they wish to be arrested. There's no emotional reward, they will go home feeling flat and frustrated.
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littleFred wrote: ... The SovCits kept complaining it was all over a £6000 debts. But in one video, the householder said to camera that the debt had escalated to seventy-something thousand...
The explanation that I read was that the actual amount owed was only £6,000 but that he has fought it all the way in the courts until the costs awarded against him brought the total to £76,000 and the council applied for a possession order as the only way that they would get the full amount.
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what they don't tell you on the vids is, he was declared bankrupt by Manchester city council, over business rates, he tried to get out of paying, as he was paying his landlord cash for the rent, so tried avoiding council rates, his landlord told the council he was renting the place, and he didn't pay, they declared him bankrupt, for the 6 k, and it was the official receiver who ordered the sale of the house and sent police in
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Hi, fat frank, and welcome to Quatloos!

Good info, thanks.

We always try to provide sources for our information. This means that other people can check what we say. It also means they can follow the trail to further nuggets, if they are interested.
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ok, lets just say I know

but will try and get you links

by the way, this is a good site
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If it's something that you "just happen to know", that's okay, but you should say so. Quatloos is good partly because information is correct, and (where possible) verifiable.
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fat frank wrote:what they don't tell you on the vids is, he was declared bankrupt by Manchester city council, over business rates, he tried to get out of paying, as he was paying his landlord cash for the rent, so tried avoiding council rates, his landlord told the council he was renting the place, and he didn't pay, they declared him bankrupt, for the 6 k, and it was the official receiver who ordered the sale of the house and sent police in
I'll bet the conversation between the Business Rates department and the landlord went something like this:
"So is the rent exclusive or inclusive of business rates?"
"Does it matter?"
"Well, yes, because if it's inclusive you need to hand it over. If it's exclusive we will pursue the tenant for them."
"I just remembered it's exclusive."
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