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Re: TheBestCommonLawyer in the Land P.Cullinane

Postby #six » Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:00 pm

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Re: TheBestCommonLawyer in the Land P.Cullinane

Postby Arthur Rubin » Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:59 pm

longdog wrote:From 1351

When a man doth compass or imagine the death of our lord the King, or of our lady his Queen or of their eldest son and heir.

If a man do violate the King's companion, or the King's eldest daughter unmarried, or the wife of the King's eldest son and heir.


Did I read that correctly; f***ing the King's mistress is treason?
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Re: TheBestCommonLawyer in the Land P.Cullinane

Postby ArthurWankspittle » Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:41 pm

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longdog wrote:From 1351

When a man doth compass or imagine the death of our lord the King, or of our lady his Queen or of their eldest son and heir.

If a man do violate the King's companion, or the King's eldest daughter unmarried, or the wife of the King's eldest son and heir.


Did I read that correctly; f***ing the King's mistress is treason?
No. I think it's for situations like his fiancée or like with the Duke of Edinburgh at present, he isn't a king but is covered by the rules as companion of the queen.
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Re: TheBestCommonLawyer in the Land P.Cullinane

Postby notorial dissent » Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:11 am

I think it came under the heading of if it could be construed as a threat against the sovereign then it could be counted and punished as treason. They were pretty flexible about interpreting those laws as I recall when it suited their purposes. So if predicting, even wrongly, the death of the sovereign then I would suspect it could be stretched, and was, at need.
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Re: TheBestCommonLawyer in the Land P.Cullinane

Postby longdog » Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:34 am

notorial dissent wrote:So if predicting, even wrongly, the death of the sovereign then I would suspect it could be stretched, and was, at need.


If you are referring to the 'compass or imagine' bit I don't think predicting the death of the sovereign is what was meant... One thing we can predict with utter certainty is that they will all die just the same as the rest of us.

I have vague recollections of looking this up before when arguing with a footler on YouToob and 'compass or imagine the death of the sovereign' is just an extremely archaic way of saying 'conspiring to bump off'.
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Re: TheBestCommonLawyer in the Land P.Cullinane

Postby notorial dissent » Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:55 pm

Unh no. I was referring to another of the treason statutes. Just saying that the "companion" bit could probably have been stretched to include just about anyone that suited their purposes, and since the sovereign's paramour could have had a drastic affect on things, like the sovereign's mind or attitude towards things, then it is not to far out of line, I think.
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Re: TheBestCommonLawyer in the Land P.Cullinane

Postby grixit » Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:40 am

I read that France had a law against using divination concerning the king's health and well being. I can understand why. If someone went around saying "The Mad Cave Hermit of Gascony has foreseen the King's death this very year!" it would cause a lot of anxiety throughout the country, factional jockeying at court, and maybe some plots abroad.
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Re: TheBestCommonLawyer in the Land P.Cullinane

Postby The Observer » Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:41 am

grixit wrote:I read that France had a law against using divination concerning the king's health and well being. I can understand why. If someone went around saying "The Mad Cave Hermit of Gascony has foreseen the King's death this very year!" it would cause a lot of anxiety throughout the country, factional jockeying at court, and maybe some plots abroad.


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Re: TheBestCommonLawyer in the Land P.Cullinane

Postby grixit » Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:00 am

Before. And there was some concern about him, but he managed to gain important friends. That's why he's still a subject of discussion as opposed to a footnote.
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Re: TheBestCommonLawyer in the Land P.Cullinane

Postby Arthur Rubin » Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:37 pm

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grixit wrote:Before. And there was some concern about him, but he managed to gain important friends. That's why he's still a subject of discussion as opposed to a footnote.
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Re: TheBestCommonLawyer in the Land P.Cullinane

Postby PeanutGallery » Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:40 am

ArthurWankspittle wrote:
Arthur Rubin wrote:
longdog wrote:From 1351

When a man doth compass or imagine the death of our lord the King, or of our lady his Queen or of their eldest son and heir.

If a man do violate the King's companion, or the King's eldest daughter unmarried, or the wife of the King's eldest son and heir.


Did I read that correctly; f***ing the King's mistress is treason?
No. I think it's for situations like his fiancée or like with the Duke of Edinburgh at present, he isn't a king but is covered by the rules as companion of the queen.

It's to do with lines of succession, basically if a person were to try and insert their line into the royal one and usurp the Kings. I suppose the modern analogy would be to prevent a Joffrey.
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