Peter of England: He’s still F RE?
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 2:21 am
Welcome to the third thread on the rather bizarre and oddly successful guru scammer Peter of England. In the first thread we introduced Peter way back before his scam started to gain ground and before it was promoted by other lamentably influential figures in the Freeman scene. This led Peter to actually being able to sell his dodgy cheque books to a wider audience. He sold them with instructions to his marks, to “not fight it, just pay it”. The second thread was a recap, like this but before a lot of other stuff happened and also stuff that didn't happen (he wasn't arrested and I really thought he would have been).
When the cheques first hit the banks, it led to short term successes for Peter’s customer base, well they ‘worked’ right up until they bounced and everything got reversed. Over on GOODF they were reasonably split down the middle between this is a blatant scam and this is the best thing since sliced bread, in fact the schism led to WeRe bank being given it's own sub forum tucked away in the back, which was eventually locked and left to die. The late BertieBert on GOODF took up the mantle of being the head cheerleader, then he actually died irl, and the role was filled intermittently by Robswift and Chong, although now Quatloos favourite GOODF, JimmyWx11 (James Wyld) a man who claims to have lost his name, in spite of continuing to use most of it as his online identity. Jimmy is still claiming to have had success with the cheques, although he hasn’t explained how or why he is the only person on the planet capable of getting them to work. Even after the Financial Conduct Authority issued a warning against these cheques, which was followed by an article highlighting the scam bank in the Guardian and finally a warning from the Irish Central Bank in Dublin that these cheques were no good.
In true Guru form Peter has attacked those who post about problems, blaming it on the user for not following the woo or in one case for being too young at 25 to have and use a chequebook responsibly. He’s also ignored the pleas for help from customers who are facing some pretty serious hardships, such as one lady who is about to be made homeless in the Chicago area (which is not exactly known for having mild winters), to assist them with their court battles. Instead following a pattern which some have posited fits that of a person suffering from bipolar disorder (manic depression) Peter either posts gibberish or is strangely absent from his own scam.
Undeterred by this Peter moved towards an international audience and soon found some suckers in the USA and Canada, of course over in the colonies the issue of bouncing cheques is taken much more seriously and can lead to a bit of jail time. This doesn’t mean that those using the cheques in the UK are going to be free from blame either, it’s likely that fraud charges may come to some of those who have attempted to purchase things like new cars and kitchens on the back of a phony cheque.
You’d think that a scam like this would be easy for the authorities to bust, I mean Peter’s already lost his bank account, his paypal and has posted multiple videos showing exactly what he looks like on YouTube. But the police and fraud departments have been lamentably slow, although that doesn’t mean he won’t have his collar felt at some point. In fact this lack of any police action, against Peter, has been taken as a sign by some that he is legitimate (even though it’s far more likely that the relevant police departments are making absolutely sure they enough evidence of wrongdoing to get a conviction).
Peter has also now changed his tune, saying that Re Members (those who have signed up for his bank and chequebook) now don’t have to pay any bills because they have the power of refusal and is now instructing his followers to fight it and not pay it, which kind of means that they don’t need the cheque books and in fact seems to be an admission that they never did.
So we can continue the discussion on Peter from here, mostly because the forum software doesn’t seem to like long threads and also because they become somewhat tiresome for a newcomer to read. I’m reasonably sure what I've written gets us up to date, but if anyone thinks I’ve missed something germane to the discussion about PoE then please post it up, I did write most of this from memory.
In the meantime here's a link to Peter's Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/Peter-Of-Engla ... 179700768/;
and his YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/ReMovementPolitics;
and the GOODF archive, now locked, on WeRe Bank: http://getoutofdebtfree.org/forum/viewf ... i7fl3rtmko
When the cheques first hit the banks, it led to short term successes for Peter’s customer base, well they ‘worked’ right up until they bounced and everything got reversed. Over on GOODF they were reasonably split down the middle between this is a blatant scam and this is the best thing since sliced bread, in fact the schism led to WeRe bank being given it's own sub forum tucked away in the back, which was eventually locked and left to die. The late BertieBert on GOODF took up the mantle of being the head cheerleader, then he actually died irl, and the role was filled intermittently by Robswift and Chong, although now Quatloos favourite GOODF, JimmyWx11 (James Wyld) a man who claims to have lost his name, in spite of continuing to use most of it as his online identity. Jimmy is still claiming to have had success with the cheques, although he hasn’t explained how or why he is the only person on the planet capable of getting them to work. Even after the Financial Conduct Authority issued a warning against these cheques, which was followed by an article highlighting the scam bank in the Guardian and finally a warning from the Irish Central Bank in Dublin that these cheques were no good.
In true Guru form Peter has attacked those who post about problems, blaming it on the user for not following the woo or in one case for being too young at 25 to have and use a chequebook responsibly. He’s also ignored the pleas for help from customers who are facing some pretty serious hardships, such as one lady who is about to be made homeless in the Chicago area (which is not exactly known for having mild winters), to assist them with their court battles. Instead following a pattern which some have posited fits that of a person suffering from bipolar disorder (manic depression) Peter either posts gibberish or is strangely absent from his own scam.
Undeterred by this Peter moved towards an international audience and soon found some suckers in the USA and Canada, of course over in the colonies the issue of bouncing cheques is taken much more seriously and can lead to a bit of jail time. This doesn’t mean that those using the cheques in the UK are going to be free from blame either, it’s likely that fraud charges may come to some of those who have attempted to purchase things like new cars and kitchens on the back of a phony cheque.
You’d think that a scam like this would be easy for the authorities to bust, I mean Peter’s already lost his bank account, his paypal and has posted multiple videos showing exactly what he looks like on YouTube. But the police and fraud departments have been lamentably slow, although that doesn’t mean he won’t have his collar felt at some point. In fact this lack of any police action, against Peter, has been taken as a sign by some that he is legitimate (even though it’s far more likely that the relevant police departments are making absolutely sure they enough evidence of wrongdoing to get a conviction).
Peter has also now changed his tune, saying that Re Members (those who have signed up for his bank and chequebook) now don’t have to pay any bills because they have the power of refusal and is now instructing his followers to fight it and not pay it, which kind of means that they don’t need the cheque books and in fact seems to be an admission that they never did.
So we can continue the discussion on Peter from here, mostly because the forum software doesn’t seem to like long threads and also because they become somewhat tiresome for a newcomer to read. I’m reasonably sure what I've written gets us up to date, but if anyone thinks I’ve missed something germane to the discussion about PoE then please post it up, I did write most of this from memory.
In the meantime here's a link to Peter's Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/Peter-Of-Engla ... 179700768/;
and his YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/ReMovementPolitics;
and the GOODF archive, now locked, on WeRe Bank: http://getoutofdebtfree.org/forum/viewf ... i7fl3rtmko