It was only recently that he moved out, like a few years ago? I seem to remember someone here did an electoral roll check and it was quiet recent, perhaps he's still finding his feet? Two of my aunties moved hundreds of miles up the other end of the country to get away from their mother and one is still too traumatised to visit her anything more than once a decade, and this is 40 years later (hence my it is easy to judge without experience comment, these things can damage people for life and what you may consider someone being a wimp, others would consider PTSD), I don't disagree with your overall assumption, but I do disagree with your assertation that he is sad and pathetic, if Tom is as half as controlling and manipulative as he seems, it's a wonder any of those kids have actually managed to get out from under his thumb at all.YiamCross wrote:If you were talking about teenagers then I'd say okay but Craig is 31 and he doesn't live at home anymore. He just looks to me like a spineless wimp who never grew a pair. It's like saying that the abused have an excuse for becoming abusers so give them a pass. I've seen absolutely nothing to indicate that Craig has had a gun held to his head, he's not acting under any threat or coercion, he's supposed to be a grown man but he acts like a child. Worse, he's shown no inclination to discover the facts for himself or take responsibility for his own actions. He just does what he's told by the manipulators around him and I'm afraid I can't see that as anything but sad and pathetic.FatGambit wrote:... Craig has probably for the better part of his life lived under the control of Tom, it doesn't make him pathetic though and is why a new crime was invented at the new year to cover this sort of stuff, so I have some sympathy for his plight, if not for his actions....
He's also not even a close comparison to an abuser wanting a free pass because they were abused themselves, I know you don't like them but come on that's hardly a fair comparison, didn't you just obtain an injunction against them for something similar?
Edit: he is an irresponsible idiot I totally agree with you on that, just wanted to clarify I wasn't defending him, I just think you, of all people, should choose your words more wisely considering what has happened etc.
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