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Postby LaVidaRoja » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:06 am

30+ years ago, when I was an IRS Disclosure Specialist, we were briefly inundated with similar nonsense. At one point, we wrote a response; "Frankly, we don't know what you're talking about. Furthermore, we don't give a damn. Please go to hell, and don't bother us anymore." Our boss would not approve it, as we placed it on a template that gave the writer appeal rights.
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Postby Footloose52 » Sat Jul 02, 2016 2:39 pm

Georges latest request to the ICO - "What is the definition of a record" has been reported for admin attention as vexatious or a request for personal information. As it doesn't meet the latter it must be the former.

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Postby TheNewSaint » Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:50 pm

George has a little bit of a point with that. The responses he's been getting haven't exactly said why they are refusing to answer his questions.

Now here's an example of a much better response someone else got about WeRe Bank. It explains why it is not treated as an FOI request; answers the posed questions one by one; calls WeRe Bank a fraud about as clearly as a government body can; and is oozing with contempt for the questioner and the subject matter.

Thanks for contacting us on 11 December 2015 about WeRe Bank. I understand you’ve asked for this to be treated as a Freedom of Information (FOI) request, however as the information is publicly available on our website this is not being taken forward by our FOI team. This has been passed to the Customer Contact Centre, as we’re the most appropriate team to answer your questions.

For ease of clarity, I’ve addressed your questions in the order raised.

1. Is WeRe Bank committing fraud?

This isn’t something that we’re able to comment on. But we’d urge individuals to be very cautious when using WeRe Bank’s service as they don’t have protection from the [1]Financial Ombudsman Service or [2]Financial Services Compensation Scheme if things go wrong.

2. Is special presentation of a cheque a known banking process?

Yes, Cheque & Credit Clearing Company Limited has information about [3]special presentation of cheques on their website. They’re the organisation that operates the Cheque & Credit interbank payment system in England, Scotland and Wales. If you have any queries about this, you may wish to [4]contact them using the details provided on their website.

3. Are banks regulated on a voluntary basis?

No, firms carrying out the activity of accepting deposits will usually have to be regulated by us and comply with the rules set out in our Banking Conduct of Business sourcebook (BCOBS). Any firm found to be carrying out a regulated activity without the necessary authorisation may be committing an offence and be liable to a penalty.

Regulation of WeRe Bank

As you’re aware, we’ve issued a [5]statement about WeRe Bank. It seems that although they’re calling themselves a bank, they don’t appear to be carrying on any activities that would require them to be authorised by us. We’ve advised consumers to beware of using the ‘cheques’ issued by WeRe Bank, as these are not considered legal tender. A creditor is entitled to be paid in legal tender and can refuse payment in any other form, which may result in charges for late payment and other sanctions.

I hope this is helpful.

Yours sincerely,
Jennie Hubbard (Miss)
Associate | Customer Contact Centre
Financial Conduct Authority | [6]www.fca.org.uk
Consumer Helpline: 0800 111 6768


Jennie Hubbard should be put in charge of dealing with George Tsigarides forthwith.

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Re: George Tsigarides - The Stupid FOI archives

Postby longdog » Sat Jul 02, 2016 11:20 pm

TheNewSaint wrote:George has a little bit of a point with that. The responses he's been getting haven't exactly said why they are refusing to answer his questions.


You have a point but I can see why organisations being bothered with this freeman crap don't bother going into details. For one thing they don't have to and for another (and I would say more important) reason these morons don't want to hear the answer in any detail and will just ignore any answer they get which doesn't confirm that they were right all along.

The answer to all of the 'birth bond' crap is quite simply "It doesn't exist" but anybody with more than a slack handful of brain cells would know that already. Telling a moron he's a moron doesn't really help because, being a moron, he's too stupid to understand it.
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Postby Dr. Caligari » Sun Jul 03, 2016 4:35 am

Jennie Hubbard should beput in charge of dealing with George Tsigaridesgiven a medal forthwith.


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Postby TheNewSaint » Sun Jul 03, 2016 10:45 pm

longdog wrote:I can see why organisations being bothered with this freeman crap don't bother going into details.


They don't have to go into details, they just have to give a legal justification under FOI law for not answering the question. "This agency has no records pertaining to this inquiry"; "We have already responded to your question about this topic on X date"; "This information is freely available online"; "You have sent X requests to this office in the past Y days and we consider this request vexatious." Those are all legal reasons under UK FOI law to refuse to answer.

longdog wrote:For one thing they don't have to. The answer to all of the 'birth bond' crap is quite simply "It doesn't exist"


But they do have to comply with FOI law. They can't answer his questions because they are from cloudcuckooland, but there are more skillful ways to deflect than "this is not an issue HM Treasury can help you with."

Here's what I would do:

Dear Mr Tsigarides

[Agency name here] has no records pertaining to an account of the type you describe. [Agency name] is not aware of the existence of any such accounts. All your questions about how these accounts function are therefore moot.

Any further FOI requests on this topic will be considered vexatious, and will receive no reply of any kind.

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Re: George Tsigarides - The Stupid FOI archives

Postby longdog » Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:37 am

TheNewSaint wrote:Here's what I would do:

Dear Mr Tsigarides

[Agency name here] has no records pertaining to an account of the type you describe. [Agency name] is not aware of the existence of any such accounts. All your questions about how these accounts function are therefore moot.

Any further FOI requests on this topic will be considered vexatious, and will receive no reply of any kind.


You have a perfectly valid point but, playing Satan's avocado for a minute all that reply is going to do is provoke another 'request' asking why they have no records and who does have the records. :shrug:
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HORNE: What does it mean?
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Re: George Tsigarides - The Stupid FOI archives

Postby TheNewSaint » Mon Jul 04, 2016 6:06 pm

longdog wrote:You have a perfectly valid point but, playing Satan's avocado for a minute all that reply is going to do is provoke another 'request' asking why they have no records and who does have the records. :shrug:


Which they can legally throw in the trash. If they send a proper refusal letter, they do not have to respond to subsequent FOI requests on the same topic. Among many other reasons they don't have to reply to his drivel.

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Postby exiledscouser » Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:18 pm

Most FOI departments are dealing with lots of "difficult" requests all day long, every day of the week so they are well used (if not a little resigned) to answering garbage from time wasting tits.

They should operate a three pointless requests and you're OUT!

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Postby mufc1959 » Fri Jul 08, 2016 9:31 pm

Another knock-back for George from Test Valley BC.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ ... ing-836057

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Postby Footloose52 » Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:52 pm

And in this response the FCA have described dear George's requests as vexatious. Ah, took them a bit longer than the EU request page but he got there in the end.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ ... 160718.pdf

HMRC are, apparently, also on the verge of declaring him vexatious

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ ... 6.pdf.html

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Postby #six » Tue Jul 26, 2016 12:05 am

When it seemed like George had maybe given it a rest Ho comes back today with another raft of frivolous requests. The icing on the cake being this on.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ ... _the_labou

I really don't know where to start on this one so I'll let it speak for itself :haha:

From: George Tsigarides

25 July 2016

Dear Cabinet Office,

For the Record:

Please note that I am placing my request as a living breathing alive Man living on the land called England, and not as a human (or variants thereof) or as a citizen, or as a person, or as a thing, or as a stillborn, or as a dead man, or as a ward, or as a child, or as a mask (of any private corporation masquerading as a public office).

This is a Notice With All Rights Reserved Without Prejudice and In Honour

I wish that you kindly confirm under your sworn affidavit that the Conservative Party and the Labour Party are private corporations.

Please kindly respond within three (3) days, and not within your preferred statute timelines whatever they may be.

Failure to respond within these three (3) days will result in law, that you have in fact confirmed, that both the Conservative Party and the Labour Party are indeed for profit private corporations with shareholders.

Please do not treat this as frivolous or as a request for legal or lawful advice; as it is neither one nor the other.

Please do not mix in your response any foreign languages, but respond in the English Language; or you will have caused Glossa, and therefore your response will in fact be unintelligible, and therefore null and void, resulting in your confirmation to the fact that both the Conservative Party and the Labour Party are both for profit private corporations registered on the United States Stock Exchange.

Thank You.

Kind Regards.

v.c. george.christopher.tsigarides With All Rights Reserved and Without Prejudice and In Honour



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Postby SteveUK » Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:07 am

Brilliant stuff, it's great to see George hasn't been put off by his recent winning(losing) streak.

I'm a tad concerned that the poor sods on the other end are now reporting all his stupid questions though. If George gets barred, what the heck will we do for entertainment!
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Postby Footloose52 » Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:56 am

I wonder if George is flattered:

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ ... tsigarides

Dear HM Revenue and Customs,

How many FOI requests has George Tsigarides made to HMRC? How much time have you taken to review, research and respond to George Tsigarides. Has George Tsigarides ever been satisfied with your response? How many follow up requests has George Tsigarides made? How many more requests will George Tsigarides have to make before you deem him vexatious?

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Postby notorial dissent » Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:53 am

I know it is just so much feldercarb, but I really would like to know what the magical significance of being "a living breathing alive Man living on the land" as opposed to say "a living breathing alive Man not living on the land" or "living in the water" is and why they should have special rights and privileges none of hte rest of us do? I really would like to see that articulated and the significance of it explained by one of these doofuses doofusi???? I really am dying of curiosity. :sarcasmon:

I am still trying to work out WHY it would, or WHY he thinks it would, make a difference if he were the above as opposed to "a human (or variants thereof) or as a citizen, or as a person, or as a thing, or as a stillborn, or as a dead man, or as a ward, or as a child, or as a mask (of any private corporation masquerading as a public office" would make any difference in the answer?

Then he goes on to demand, very politely of course, that they respond on his time table not there, good touch, and the good old unilateral contract bit.

He has at least gotten around to admitting that it ISN'T "a request for legal or lawful advice" which means they shouldn't have to actually answer ANY of it. Good move George.

In one move he's nominated himself a vexious requestor. George is a true idiot's idiot.
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Postby TheNewSaint » Tue Jul 26, 2016 2:31 pm

notorial dissent wrote:I really would like to know what the magical significance of being "a living breathing alive Man living on the land" as opposed to say "a living breathing alive Man not living on the land" or "living in the water" is and why they should have special rights and privileges none of the rest of us do?


There's a Bugs Bunny cartoon where Bugs takes on a vampire. He discovers that saying "abra cadabra" turns the vampire into a bat, and "hocus pocus" turns him back into a vampire. Bugs uses this power to devastating effect. Then he starts mixing the terms, and finds that "abra capocus" turns his opponent into a mix of bat and human parts. Then he starts saying random phrases like "Walla Walla Washington", which turn the vampire into all kinds of weird things.

George Tsigarides thinks life works like this.

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Postby notorial dissent » Tue Jul 26, 2016 3:13 pm

TheNewSaint wrote:George Tsigarides thinks life works like this.

George seems to have become a magic word user, for all the good it is doing him. I'd still like to see it explained, they get such a perplexed expression when you ask them to explain something they don't really have a clue about.
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Postby TheNewSaint » Tue Jul 26, 2016 3:56 pm

You said it yourself: "magic word user." These people aren't arguing consistent (if flawed) legal concepts; they're just throwing together combinations of words, in search of the magic phrase they think will give them the key to the kingdom. It's legal-sounding word salad.

And, as you noted, they also employ other common FMOTL tactics. Though I must say, George raises the stakes by trying to foist a unilateral contract in less time than they are permitted by law to reply. He's not just an idiot's idiot, he's an asshole's asshole.

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Postby notorial dissent » Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:13 pm

TheNewSaint wrote:You said it yourself: "magic word user." These people aren't arguing consistent (if flawed) legal concepts; they're just throwing together combinations of words, in search of the magic phrase they think will give them the key to the kingdom. It's legal-sounding word salad.

And, as you noted, they also employ other common FMOTL tactics. Though I must say, George raises the stakes by trying to foist a unilateral contract in less time than they are permitted by law to reply. He's not just an idiot's idiot, he's an asshole's asshole.

Agreed, and agreed.
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Postby #six » Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:06 pm

He's edited his question. Damn him


[extraneous material removed]

I wish that you kindly confirm [extraneous material removed] that the Conservative Party and the Labour Party are private corporations
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Although I doubt it will go any good as the full text would have already been sent to the cabinet office. It just stops others from realising what a dick he is.


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