FMOTL Road Tax Scams

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FMOTL Road Tax Scams

Postby Tuco » Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:01 pm

Was this scam exclusive to the UK or were other countrys stupid enough to permit it?:

1. Register your car at a PO box/false address.
2. Go to the Post Office and write a cheque out for your road tax.
3. Hand the cheque to the cashier.
4. Receive the 12 month tax disc from the cashier.
6. Go around the corner and empty the bank account.
7. Keep the tax disc and wait for the cheque to bounce.
8. When the awfully nice tax people write you an awfully nice letter asking you to return the tax disc, you simply ignore it.
9. You drive around everywhere and to all intents and purposes, you are a law abiding citizen who has paid your road tax.

Surely no other country had such a ridiculous system, that invited abuse from all sorts of fraudsters and crooks?

Obviously in the days of ANPR, this scam is now obsolete but I'm only talking 4 or 5 years ago when it was in full flow.

Why do FMOTL think they don't have to contribute to the upkeep of our roads and the maintaining of the DVLA? They are the first to go crying to the police if someone in authority contravenes a road traffic bye law.
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Re: FMOTL Road Tax Scams

Postby rumpelstilzchen » Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:05 pm

The method you describe did not actually work. If the cheque bounced the disc was registered at DVLA as being invalid and you could be prosecuted for it.
Hope that helps.
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Re: FMOTL Road Tax Scams

Postby Tuco » Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:12 pm

rumpelstilzchen wrote:The method you describe did not actually work. If the cheque bounced the disc was registered at DVLA as being invalid.
Hope that helps.


Yes but in the days before ANPR, did that matter?

A policeman stopping a car or a traffic warden checking the windscreen would simply see a valid disc and move on. Amazing how things have changed in such a short period of time isn't it?

Our local paper used to feature details of people who had been fined for this scam on a weekly basis. I dread to think what it cost the honest tax payers?
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Re: FMOTL Road Tax Scams

Postby Philistine » Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:20 pm

This has nothing to do with freemanry. It's simply being a tax cheat/fraud.
It's also a very transparent swipe at your rival. Does your wife know how obsessed with this woman you are?
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Re: FMOTL Road Tax Scams

Postby rumpelstilzchen » Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:21 pm

Tuco wrote:
Yes but in the days before ANPR, did that matter?

It would depend on your outlook. The course you described in the OP would mean the individual who wrote the cheque with the intention to empty the bank account before the cheque cleared has committed a criminal offence. If they did not care if they were eventually prosecuted then I suppose it did not matter.
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Re: FMOTL Road Tax Scams

Postby Flipper » Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:23 pm

If you live in an out of the way place you'd probably have gotten away with it, it's a typical FMOTL scam costing us honest citizens thousands.

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Re: FMOTL Road Tax Scams

Postby longdog » Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:27 pm

I worked with somebody who bought their tax with a moody cheque some years ago. DVLA wrote to him and he did exactly the same thing again. He was done for attempted fraud (got 100 hours community service and a large fine IIRC) and DVLA tipped of the local plod who popped round and did him for having an untaxed car parked outside the house racking up another fine.

This was long before ANPR came into use.
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Re: FMOTL Road Tax Scams

Postby Tuco » Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:32 pm

longdog wrote:I worked with somebody who bought their tax with a moody cheque some years ago. DVLA wrote to him and he did exactly the same thing again. He was done for attempted fraud (got 100 hours community service and a large fine IIRC) and DVLA tipped of the local plod who popped round and did him for having an untaxed car parked outside the house racking up another fine.

This was long before ANPR came into use.


The real FMOTL would register the car at a false address, nullifying the ability of the police to find the car.
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Re: FMOTL Road Tax Scams

Postby rumpelstilzchen » Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:34 pm

Flipper wrote: it's a typical FMOTL scam costing us honest citizens thousands.

Could you please provide us with some kind of evidence that proves it is a "FMOTL scam"?
For instance, before ANPR how many cheques intended to pay for VED bounced each year and what proportion of those people who wrote those cheques were followers of FOTL?
What figures do you have?
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Re: FMOTL Road Tax Scams

Postby rumpelstilzchen » Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:35 pm

Tuco wrote:
The real FMOTL would register the car at a false address, nullifying the ability of the police to find the car.

Wrong.
The real footle would write to DVLA in an attempt to "deregister" the car.
It normally resulted in hilarious consequences. Jail sometimes such as in the case of pleasuredome. Good days, good days. It was a laugh a minute.
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Re: FMOTL Road Tax Scams

Postby doublelong » Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:51 pm

I remember in the mid-1990's when laser printers came out there was a lot of fake ones being sold in pubs. I also remember being told how a beer mat during the 1960's was also used as from a distance it looked like the current tax disk at the time and forced a redesign.

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Re: FMOTL Road Tax Scams

Postby Tuco » Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:53 pm

rumpelstilzchen wrote:
Flipper wrote: it's a typical FMOTL scam costing us honest citizens thousands.

Could you please provide us with some kind of evidence that proves it is a "FMOTL scam"?
For instance, before ANPR how many cheques intended to pay for VED bounced each year and what proportion of those people who wrote those cheques were followers of FOTL?
What figures do you have?


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Re: FMOTL Road Tax Scams

Postby Tuco » Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:55 pm

doublelong wrote:I remember in the mid-1990's when laser printers came out there was a lot of fake ones being sold in pubs. I also remember being told how a beer mat during the 1960's was also used as from a distance it looked like the current tax disk at the time and forced a redesign.


The beer mat attempt was a petty scam by tramps and ne'r do wells. It has nothing to do with FMOTL
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Re: FMOTL Road Tax Scams

Postby Flipper » Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:01 pm

rumpelstilzchen wrote:
Flipper wrote: it's a typical FMOTL scam costing us honest citizens thousands.

Could you please provide us with some kind of evidence that proves it is a "FMOTL scam"?
For instance, before ANPR how many cheques intended to pay for VED bounced each year and what proportion of those people who wrote those cheques were followers of FOTL?
What figures do you have?


You're just being silly

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Re: FMOTL Road Tax Scams

Postby Firthy2002 » Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:06 pm

I fail to see the relevance of this thread to the current freetard/sovcit movement.
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Re: FMOTL Road Tax Scams

Postby AndyPandy » Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:28 pm

Firthy2002 wrote:I fail to see the relevance of this thread to the current freetard/sovcit movement.


Agreed, it's simply small minded people with obsession compulsive internet disorders trying to take pot shots at each other.

Sad really.

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Re: FMOTL Road Tax Scams

Postby rumpelstilzchen » Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:29 pm

Flipper wrote:
You're just being silly

Not at all. No evidence has been provided this is a FOTL scam.
This place isn't a playground. Facts and evidence are required here. Maybe you are not used to having to provide evidence? Requesting evidence is not being silly. Making false claims is silly.
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Re: FMOTL Road Tax Scams

Postby wserra » Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:37 pm

I see no evidence that this has anything to do with sovs/freemen/TPs, the subject of this board. I do see evidence of an attempt to continue the Bailiff Wars.
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