"practical lawful dissent" fmotl advisory group

[BoomerSooner17]

I have personally met police constables that quietly support our political stance, also ex Magistrates and a high court judge (now retired).

What a load of old bollocks.

Challenge to Mr Robinson: Name the judge.

Give him time, he hasn't thought out that part of the story yet. You think it's easy to come up with this kind of stuff? True baloney takes time.

[Arthur Rubin]

From: David Robinson
...
I write to you as a representative and spokesperson for a group of thousands of like-minded individuals who share the same concerns as I.

Thousands? I doubt he could come up with a dozen, even including the 25 barons....

[BoomerSooner17]

I doubt he could come up with a dozen, even including the 25 barons....

Especially since, if I recall correctly, at least one of those barons is deceased.

[notorial dissent]

I doubt he could come up with a dozen, even including the 25 barons....

Especially since, if I recall correctly, at least one of those barons is deceased.

And cares at least as much now as when he was alive.

[BoomerSooner17]

It's certainly impossible for him to care any less. I'm not sure how negative (below zero) quantities of care would work.

[Comrade Sharik]

Coming from a rather theological background, internal inconsistencies in belief systems irritate me more than they should.

Which is why I find myself grinding my teeth as I mentally ask, how if the legal system is invalid to the point where cannabis is not illegal, how come Mr Robinson has an 'entitlement' to benefits? Magna Carta is silent on the subject. And if all taxes are illegal how the flaming bloody hell does he imagine those benefits should be funded?

[The Observer]

This is why I advocate the government taking the sovrun/FOTLers' arguments to their logical conclusion and agreeing that they are not under the law of the country. So they no longer have to pay taxes or bills or anything of that nature anymore; they will not be required to have a driver's license/permit nor have to carry insurance. And then, before the FOTLer starts exulting in his victory, explain that this also means that they do not receive the protections and benefits of the law. So they cannot expect police to protect them from assault, theft, and murder, that they will not be allowed to receive fire/first aid care from emergency services and they will certainly not be entitled to any payments from the government for illness, unemployment, education as well as not receiving government-provided health care. The magistrate should, as a courtesy, advise the FOTLer that they are basically now at the mercy of any thugs or villains out there who know they will be not prosecuted for crimes against the FOTLer - since the court will be making the emancipation of the FOTLer a public announcement in order to notify all sections of government and finance/business that the FOLTer is now outside the protection and benefit of the law.

[Gregg]

They could do it at the beginning of the criminal arraignment cattle call on Monday morning, where all the weekend arrests are waiting for their bail hearings, just to let all of them know there's a fair target gonna be getting out of court just about the same time.

[The Observer]

That's an excellent suggestion and reminds me of time when a federal district judge was handling a summons enforcement for the IRS due to the individual in question who had been refusing to cooperate with providing the information listed on the summons. Our recalcitrant anti-hero had basically stood the judge up on two separate dates to provide the information in court, and the judge issued a warrant for his arrest.

By the time Dumb-dumb was brought in to the courtroom, the judge was in the middle of a hearing regarding some violent gang members who were going to federal detention that day. He interrupted their hearing and turned to the detained taxpayer and asked him if he had managed to finally get the information and bring it with him. The prisoner replied that he had not and was in the middle of celebrating his birthday when the arresting officers had shown up. The judge turned to the gang members and said, "Well, guys, guess you have a birthday to celebrate with our friend here since I am sending him with you to detention." The gang members laughed, the taxpayer was stunned into silence, and the next morning, when he was brought back to the court, he assured the judge he would have all the information to him before the end of the day.

[BoomerSooner17]

This is why I advocate the government taking the sovrun/FOTLers' arguments to their logical conclusion and agreeing that they are not under the law of the country.

The only problem that I see with this otherwise excellent proposal is the fact that as long as the sovrun/FOTLer remains inside the borders of the country, they are still in effect benefiting from the protection of the country's military despite not contributing to its funding. In order to truly be effective, we need to figure out how to strip them of military protection as well as legal protection.

[Footloose52]

The only problem that I see with this otherwise excellent proposal is the fact that as long as the sovrun/FOTLer remains inside the borders of the country, they are still in effect benefiting from the protection of the country's military despite not contributing to its funding. In order to truly be effective, we need to figure out how to strip them of military protection as well as legal protection.

How about dropping them off on one of those abandoned North Sea forts? Leave them a couple of fishing rods and tell them to make the most of what they've got.

[ArthurWankspittle]

My solution would be similar but initially involve arrest for immigration offences and they would be held at immigration detention centres until their asylum seeker status or whatever was established. Government tries to do straightforward cases within six months, but it isn't very successful at it.

[BoomerSooner17]

Perhaps an exchange program could be implemented wherein a first world sovrun/FOTLer is exchanged for a hardworking person from a third world nation. I have seen this suggested on Quatloos in the past (in fact, I believe it was Wankspittle's suggestion).

[Gregg]

You would have to figure out foreigner exchange rates, for example...

I'll give two Mexican truck drivers and an Asian software engineer for the fat, stupid and unemployable bigot. But you have to transport the redneck to the border

[Hercule Parrot]

Perhaps an exchange program could be implemented wherein a first world sovrun/FOTLer is exchanged for a hardworking person from a third world nation. I have seen this suggested on Quatloos in the past (in fact, I believe it was Wankspittle's suggestion).

An excellent idea. Refugees who reach the UK have demonstrated extraordinary fortitude and commitment towards our way of life. They are by any measure better citizens than Robinson's motley crew of dole-sponging troublemakers, and we should operate an exchange programme as above.

[Comrade Sharik]

And, of course, many of the places that refugees and migrants are fleeing have nobody making you pay taxes, or trying to stop you smoking weed............

[BoomerSooner17]

But I doubt they respect the Magna Carta.

[daveBeeston]

But I doubt they respect the Magna Carta.

The Sovcit/Fotlers don't respect Magna Carta either(they don't understand it and without understanding you can't have respect) so it would be a perfect fit.
Plus just think of the entertainment when one of the Sovcit/Fotler's tells a 3rd world dictator they won't pay for something.

[notorial dissent]

But I doubt they respect the Magna Carta.

Let alone very having heard of it.

[longdog]

Plus just think of the entertainment when one of the Sovcit/Fotler's tells a 3rd world dictator they won't pay for something.

I thought Scotland had it's fair share of footlers