Is this where Ex-Goofers have gone to play?

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Re: Is this where Ex-Goofers have gone to play?

Postby Hercule Parrot » Sun Jul 02, 2017 11:42 pm

Yes, this story is clearly bogus.
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What happens when DVLA is informed about me
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It will conduct its own investigation using medical information from your doctor or other sources. It must determine whether you are suffering from a prescribed disability or from any other disability that makes you a danger to the public.You will be able to participate in the process, and it’s important you do so. You may want to start obtaining good quality medical evidence.

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Re: Is this where Ex-Goofers have gone to play?

Postby rosy » Sun Jul 02, 2017 11:45 pm

http://www.gmc-uk.org/news/27477.asp Doctors have a duty to inform the DVLA of conditions that would make somebody a danger behind the wheel, but I very much doubt it played out as stated on the goofy place. One letter from a GP about drinking at the weekends is not going to be sufficient to revoke a licence, there would be some kind of investigation or dialogue before it got to that stage.

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Re: Is this where Ex-Goofers have gone to play?

Postby NYGman » Mon Jul 03, 2017 12:22 am

Perhaps her occupation is taxi driver, and she works on the weekends, hence the report :roll:
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Re: Is this where Ex-Goofers have gone to play?

Postby Siegfried Shrink » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:57 pm


A donation of £30 would be appreciated at the door.


If they take promissory notes, no problem. I wonder what happens if you don't really care one way or the other for their appreciation and go in anyway? For dedicated dodgers of payment, that wording is something the most inept Fotler could drive a lawful wedge through.

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Re: Is this where Ex-Goofers have gone to play?

Postby Dr. Caligari » Wed Jul 05, 2017 2:46 am

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If they take promissory notes, no problem.


Or WeRe checks.
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Re: Is this where Ex-Goofers have gone to play?

Postby notorial dissent » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:51 am

I think WeRe checks would be appropriate, certainly would be worth what they were getting. The irony here is them trying to collect money from people who are deadbeats and payment avoiders to begin with. At least to me it is.
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Re: Is this where Ex-Goofers have gone to play?

Postby hucknallred » Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:45 am

notorial dissent wrote:I think WeRe checks would be appropriate, certainly would be worth what they were getting. The irony here is them trying to collect money from people who are deadbeats and payment avoiders to begin with. At least to me it is.

Just because they are payment avoiders doesn't mean they won't have £30 to drop on this nonsense.

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Postby notorial dissent » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:47 am

Just because they do/might have the ready doesn't mean they are willing to part with it.
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Re: Is this where Ex-Goofers have gone to play?

Postby PiccadillyCircus » Wed Jul 05, 2017 1:17 pm

I've been lurking on here for a while and it's been very helpful in researching some of the criminal or plain loony things one occasionally encounters.

I just wish to add my experience with DVLA, though let me make it quite clear I am not trying to endorse the story quoted.

Having moved back to the UK, I needed convert my EU driving licence back to a UK version.

The DVLA could not get in touch with the foreign authority and eventually rejected my application.

It turned out that they had an incorrect email address and despite the foreign authority being very helpful and sending email, fax and hone contacts, DVLA refused to use those, as they were not supplied through official channels.

Eventually, a combination of a letter from the foreign authority, in boilerplate template layout confirming my licence validity and pressure from my MP got them to re-open the application and issue a licence.

However, the words 'high handed', 'stupid', 'jobsworth' and come to mind.

It seems plausible to me, that if a GP did contact the DVLA and express a concern about binge drinking, that a licence could be revoked on the grounds of disability and that getting it back may be a long and tortuous process.

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Re: Is this where Ex-Goofers have gone to play?

Postby longdog » Wed Jul 05, 2017 1:33 pm

The DVLA are quite spectacularly inept when it comes to anything that doesn't conform 100% to the way things should work rather than how, on occasion, it does work. On two occasions I have tried to convince them that I no longer owned a car (one sold, one scrapped) and it was like pulling teeth because they said they'd not received the V5 notice. It was only after letters to my MP and the minister of transport that they finally got their act together.

Compared to the DWP's 'collection from estates' department though DVLA are pinnacles of excellence and efficiency.
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Re: Is this where Ex-Goofers have gone to play?

Postby Siegfried Shrink » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:36 pm

" Computer says 'No' "

is only funny when it is saying it to someone else.
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Postby rumpelstilzchen » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:42 pm

I have never had a passport. Yeah......I know, mock me as much as you like...... I am still living in the fifties......I know, I know.......anyway, about seven years ago I attempted to upgrade my old paper driving licence to a photo driving licence for reasons that are not important on here. It proved to be very difficult. DVLA refused to do it without a passport so that they could compare the photographs. They refused to accept my birth certificate. If I was on benefits they said it would be no problem. No passport required. If I was a foreigner applying for a UK driving licence they said it would be no problem. If I was a divorcee who could produce a divorce certificate it would be no problem. No passport required. As an English person born and bred who is not on benefits and who does not have a divorce certificate there was nothing they could do for me. They advised me to get a passport. After appealing they even wrote me a letter saying "Dear Mr Rumpelstilzchen after taking everything in to consideration we cannot be sure you are Mr Rumpelstilzchen." I then wrote a letter suggesting that perhaps the matter should be examined by a court and miraculously I received a letter by return of post stating that my photo card licence was being processed and I should receive it within a month. And I did.
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Postby longdog » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:08 pm

rumpelstilzchen wrote:After appealing they even wrote me a letter saying "Dear Mr Rumpelstilzchen after taking everything in to consideration we cannot be sure you are Mr Rumpelstilzchen."


This is the problem I've been having with the DWP. When my mother died back in March they sent my brother, who was acting as her deputy due to her being senile, a bill for £200 in over paid Attendance Allowance. He phoned them up and told them it was no use sending him the bill and it would have to be sent to me as I was executor of her will and his deputy-ship ended at her death.

Simple enough you might think but no. They actually managed to send me the bill for £200 but according to the Attendance Allowance department they are wrong and the DWP actually owe the estate £160. So I phoned the collections from estates department but they won't speak to me because I'm not her deputy even though dead people can't have a deputy and I'm the executor of the estate and they've actually sent the bill to me. :shrug:

It's only a trivial matter in the great scheme of things and I've retained the £200 in my bank after distributing the rest of it but it's intensely annoying. I'm toying with the idea of taking a leaf from the freeman theories and sending them a "prove the estate owes you the money within 28 days or I'm spending it on beer and pizzas" letter :mrgreen:
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Postby wanglepin » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:39 pm

longdog wrote: I'm toying with the idea of taking a leaf from the freeman theories and sending them a "prove the estate owes you the money within 28 days or I'm spending it on beer and pizzas" letter :mrgreen:

:haha:

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Re: Is this where Ex-Goofers have gone to play?

Postby NYGman » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:59 pm

That is the problem we face today, Idiots in the workplace. It is a big problem as those coming through the education system today seem to lack the ability to think. The times I have to go back to an internal company utility to have them reprocess something because they didn't think while processing the first time. Some people are no better than a "trained Monkey" who just bashes in the input, and accepts the output, without any thought to the process. I see more of these non-thinkers as time goes by, and it is the most frustrating thing.

On the plus side, and what these people fail to realize, is that they will be replaced by Robots and machine learning. It is only a matter of time. And while I admit Robots and machine learning are not perfect, at least they identify when the degree of certainty falls below a certain amount, and a manual review will be done, by a Human that actually does think.
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Re: Is this where Ex-Goofers have gone to play?

Postby Burnaby49 » Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:21 pm

Try dealing with the Royal Mail sometime. I, unfortunately, have some recent experience. My wife mailed a package from Vancouver to our nephew in England. It wan't delivered or returned although it had a return address. So during my recent trip to London I mailed a replacement package from Bloomsbury to his residence on the south coast. I sent it first-class registered. It didn't make it. I contacted Royal Mail and gave then the information on the registration slip. Tracking number, date of mailing, everything. Their response was essentially too fucking bad, it's too much trouble for us to look for it.
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Postby Siegfried Shrink » Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:37 pm

Britain does not have a registered category, but I suspect you sent it Recorded delivery, a useless cut rate not real tracking service which is basically normal post with a signature on delivery. This signature is all that the tracking number will bring up and if it was not selivered, it will bring up nothing. There is no way of locating anything sent recorded delivery.

Unless there was someone in when the postman called, they are supposed to leave a card for the recipient to collect the item from the local delivery office. Which is not the local post office and may be a few miles away.
If the card is not left or the addressee does not notice it (they have changed the design to make it look more like a piece of junk mail) the package is held at the sorting office for 2 weeks and then returned if possible.
By the time it got back to Bloomsbury I expect you had gone back to Canada.

If you opted for the much more expensive Special Delivery, it should have got there the next day, and it should be traceable.

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Postby Burnaby49 » Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:45 pm

When I was at the Post Office nobody told me about Special Delivery. I'd have paid it just to get my wife off my back. I assumed since the Royal Mail gave me a tracking number that it was registered.

This is where it fell apart;

Unless there was someone in when the postman called, they are supposed to leave a card for the recipient to collect the item from the local delivery office. Which is not the local post office and may be a few miles away.


It was delivered but nobody home and they left a card. But when my nephew's wife checked at the local delivery office shortly after Royal Mail left the card she was informed it had been immediately sent back to London and was in some vast warehouse of undelivered mail and there was no way to find it.

The package had our Canadian return address on it but that was of no interest to Royal Mail. I'd say because there was not sufficient postage to send it to Canada, so screw it, except that the first package, mailed in Canada to the UK, also had a return address and it wasn't returned either.
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Re: Is this where Ex-Goofers have gone to play?

Postby Siegfried Shrink » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:03 pm

You confirm my suspicions. It is possible that if the sorting office was contacted quickly, they had not yet had the package back, so assumed it had been sent somewhere, probably returned but who cares really
Italics hypothetical PO opinion.
They are supposed to hold for 2 weeks.

The question of returning it is really one for the UPU, and its treaties. The package posted domestically did not qualify as as returnable internationally as it was domestic post. The Canadian package would qualify for international return due to reciprocity clauses in the international mail treaties, in the same way a UK package undeliverable in Canada would be returned at no extra cost to the sender.

Returns are always done by the cheapest class of mail available, though. I think UK still offers surface mail which is pretty slow.


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