Robert 'Crab Bait' White consents to losing his houses

[hucknallred]

It appears Crabby has another property in Manchester that he's no paying Council Tax on. He's posted up the enforcement notice on his CT is unlawful splinter group page.
I thought CT was down to the tennant to pay? Having never rented myself I'm not sure how it works. Could it be he's charging the tennant & trousering it?

[AnOwlCalledSage]

I thought CT was down to the tennant to pay? Having never rented myself I'm not sure how it works. Could it be he's charging the tennant & trousering it?

It's a property tax, so it depends on the lease. It is normal nowadays for the tenant to pay. However, as a tenant you pay direct to the council not via your landlord. If he is charging his tenants and trousering it, then he could be in serious trouble beyond mere failure to pay.

[longdog]

It could be that the property is / was empty in which case he becomes liable to pay.

[JimUk1]

Another opinion is that he was paying the council tax and claiming it was empty.

I’ve seen this tactic on the BBC (can’t remember the program) were landlords would pay the CT and claim the property empty, for the appalling reason the house wasn’t fit for purpose, and usually full of immigrant workers unaware of thier rights in the U.K. (Over filling the house beyond capacity to maximise income).

Sounds sinister, but I wouldn’t bet against some shady dealings knowing him.

(Just looked on the Beeb, it was a program called ‘Housing Inspectors’. Prepare to be amazed).

[JimUk1]

I utterly despise this man, acts like a child, and I have no doubt the screw is tightening for olde Crabby now.

https://m.facebook.com/Bob7White/posts/ ... d%3D&mdf=1

[BoomerSooner17]

You might say that Crab Bait is getting pinched.


I'll get my coat.

[Wakeman52]

I thought I recognised that address (Collier Street); it's close to the Manchester Museum Of Science & Industry & Spinningfields; also not far from an office I worked in at the end of the 1970s. The area has undergone a total transformation since then. Prices for these 1 bedroom apartments are in the GBP200,000 to GBP250,000 range.

Our hero is clearly worth more than a few bob, as my mum would have said. Bankruptcy seems to be a lifestyle choice.

[Hercule Parrot]

Our hero is clearly worth more than a few bob, as my mum would have said. Bankruptcy seems to be a lifestyle choice.

He seems remarkably reckless about the prospect of his assets being seized or dissipated in bankruptcy costs, and I'll wager that there are tax liabilities lurking as his estate becomes more visible to the authorities. Maybe he has some properties or cash offshore, and he's confident that whatever the receiver does he'll still be comfortable.

I'm not convinced that Crabby is so clever or calculating though. His attitude seems more like a mid-life crisis, a scorched earth tantrum against law and government. He would rather lose a large part of his assets than co-operate in paying a few bills. I still have a suspicion that he could turn very violent if cornered - the infantile, spiteful rage is near the surface.

[notorial dissent]

He's always struck me as the nasty and unpleasant sort who could get very violent, on top of being incredibly stupid.

[exiledscouser]

To no ones surprise Crabby reports that his IP is applying to extend his period of insolvency - probably indefinitely. It was due for discharge shortly but the IP is playing hard ball now.

He is also upset that the IP has taken control of his rental empire. I read that as proper, firm control so the noose appears to be tightening.

There’ll be only one winner here.

[longdog]

To no ones surprise Crabby reports that his IP is applying to extend his period of insolvency - probably indefinitely. It was due for discharge shortly but the IP is playing hard ball now.

He is also upset that the IP has taken control of his rental empire. I read that as proper, firm control so the noose appears to be tightening.

There’ll be only one winner here.

I think you'll find Bob has registered 'Lis Pendens' for all of his properties with John Smith's Patented Play Court™ so I'd like to see the IP sell any of them and get away with it if it hadn't been for those meddling kids.

I wonder if the great rebel will attend the court hearing to suspend discharge armed with a final verdict, signed, sealed and embossed from the CLC to dazzle the magistrate.

[longdog]

Latest drivel from Bob on the "Council tax is unlawful" group...

Robert White

This will do for starters I just sent my local council an email, everyone should do this to start off with along with sending the 151 officer a recorded delivery letter with a copy of the court order, here's my email.
Hi, my name is Robert white, my address is 29 Park Road, Sheerness, Kent, ME12 1UY. I have recently found out from the Common Law Court Great Britain that council tax has been annulled, and it is unlawful for anyone to demand council tax from anyone without committing an unlawful offence. Can you please send me the forms to reclaim the council taxes I have paid over the last 6 years? My account reference number is 7087997. Please see the attached court order.

Thank You

Bob White

I can't decide if he genuinely believes the 'common law court' has some sort of magical power, in which case he's a deluded moron, or if this is just an attempt to save face after all of his "they can't do anything to me" boasts proved to be so spectacularly wrong.

Following Dismal Dave's on-again-off-again change of heart over MC/A61 Bobby does seem to be putting all of his rebellious eggs in the one-man-and-a-website CLC basket.

[NYGman]

Latest drivel from Bob on the "Council tax is unlawful" group...

Robert White

This will do for starters I just sent my local council an email, everyone should do this to start off with along with sending the 151 officer a recorded delivery letter with a copy of the court order, here's my email.
Hi, my name is Robert white, my address is 29 Park Road, Sheerness, Kent, ME12 1UY. I have recently found out from the Common Law Court Great Britain that council tax has been annulled, and it is unlawful for anyone to demand council tax from anyone without committing an unlawful offence. Can you please send me the forms to reclaim the council taxes I have paid over the last 6 years? My account reference number is 7087997. Please see the attached court order.

Thank You

Bob White

So i looked up the cost for Royal Mail Signed For 2nd Class and it is £1.68. 1.68 x 151 = £253.68

Would they not do better in paying that against their debts?

[King Lud]

So i looked up the cost for Royal Mail Signed For 2nd Class and it is £1.68. 1.68 x 151 = £253.68

Would they not do better in paying that against their debts?

A 151 officer is just one person,

Section 151 Officer

An officer appointed under section 151 of the Local Government Act 1972 which requires every local authority to appoint a suitably qualified officer responsible for the proper administration of its affairs.

[NYGman]

So i looked up the cost for Royal Mail Signed For 2nd Class and it is £1.68. 1.68 x 151 = £253.68

Would they not do better in paying that against their debts?

A 151 officer is just one person,

Section 151 Officer

An officer appointed under section 151 of the Local Government Act 1972 which requires every local authority to appoint a suitably qualified officer responsible for the proper administration of its affairs.

that's to funny, I really read that wrong... Makes more sense now, not that it is logical mind you.

[notorial dissent]

Our little quail, once an idiot, always an idiot. Too bad the UK doesn't have a counterfeit of service law, which ironically under both the "real" old common law definition as well as the medieval versions probably would be considered as actual treason. If counterfeiting the Kyng's coin could be so considered then I don't see why pretending to be a Kyng's Justice couldn't get you in at least as much trouble, and the punishment was just ever so pleasant.

[Hercule Parrot]

Section 151 Officer

An officer appointed under section 151 of the Local Government Act 1972 which requires every local authority to appoint a suitably qualified officer responsible for the proper administration of its affairs.

A recurrent motif in UK FMOTL & sovcit, they appear to believe that the s151 officer is a shadowy, immensely powerful person. In reality it's a nominal status held by the Finance Director or equivalent, and has no significance at all.

[AnOwlCalledSage]

A recurrent motif in UK FMOTL & sovcit, they appear to believe that the s151 officer is a shadowy, immensely powerful person. In reality it's a nominal status held by the Finance Director or equivalent, and has no significance at all.

Yes and no. The section 151 officer is not a shadowy figure BUT they have great significance. They have a legal responsibility for ensuring that a council's budget is lawful. Put simply, it must add up and be robust. If a council's budget is not signed off by the section 151 officer it is not legal. He is also responsible for setting the amount that must be held in reserve which does have an impact on council tax rates, so these idiots are not 100% wrong. I'll put it at 99%.

By necessity this is a very very simplified account of local government finance. Anyone who has read the local government handbook will be able to pick holes in this but I think it is a fair top level description of how it works for a lay person.

Let's say a council has a total budget of £200m, income will be (simplified): £100m Government; £25m Business Rates; £50m Council Tax; £25m Charges & Fees. Then say a council budget has a £1m shortfall.

This looks like a mere 0.5% increase on budget, but what are the options to make this up? You are not going to get anymore government money. Increasing business rates are not a viable option as this is set by government. Increasing fees and charges by above 5% is not usually an option. I've seen a whole council department's viability collapse with a 5% increase in fees to the extent that redundancies were the only option. So to make up this missing £1m, either the council tax has to go up by 2% or reserves need to be raided - and that 2% is in addition to inflationary or unavoidable service related (such as adult social care) increases.

So why not raid reserves, as I've seen a lot of people demand? Well, raiding reserves is not a zero sum game. Legally councils have to keep a certain amount. Additionally in a lot of areas councils are "self-insured" which means they must have the means to pay claims. In any case, using reserves is akin to using a credit card for day to day expenses instead of reducing spending. In the long term you are storing up trouble and the section 151 has to be on top of this.

This leaves council tax as the only realistic source to make up the shortfall and as I've tried to explain, budget shortfalls disproportionately affect council tax rates.

Non-100% Council Tax collection rates are budgeted for and the average rate for England and Wales is 97%, so in this hypothetical example, a 95% collection rate because of refuseniks will be the same as a £1m overspend.

This is why councils generally will pursue the debt. As well as having the legal right to do so, if it was apparent that non-payment was an option, the whole basis of local government finance would collapse.

Top Tip Crabby. Save some money. Send an email. Councils treat them the same as mailed correspondence and you'll save yourself a stamp. Although I will concede that it may be difficult to add a wet ink signature

[Siegfried Shrink]

What happens when councils go rogue.

http://www.socialismtoday.org/163/claycross.html

Read it with your bias filters switched on. At the time it was quite a big thing.

Now as forgotten as the snows of yesteryear.

[notorial dissent]

Top Tip Crabby. Save some money. Send an email. Councils treat them the same as mailed correspondence and you'll save yourself a stamp. Although I will concede that it may be difficult to add a wet ink signature

Yeah, it then it wouldn't have the super duper imprimatur of the magical Post Office, or some such nonsense. Besides, Crabby is a fool and thinks his gibberish scribblings gave any significance to anyone but him.