Quatloos!

I once used the af4v method with my water company for a friend lol it did not work. I kept reading their stuff and looking into it, it just wansnt making any sense at all. I studied law with ou and now i would like to help others understand that these people are very dangerous and their information will lead to misery. If there is anyone here that could help with my forum i would appreciate it. http://goodf2.forumotion.com

That is a very unfortunate username.

It appears that it may also be a very unfortunate site.

Under "Useful Contacts", the Admin recommends GOODF. Why are we permitting commercials for a site that recommends Winston Shrout as a "Useful Contact"?

Absent a satisfactory answer, we won't be for long.

wserra wrote:It appears that it may also be a very unfortunate site.

Under "Useful Contacts", the Admin recommends GOODF. Why are we permitting commercials for a site that recommends Winston Shrout as a "Useful Contact"?

Absent a satisfactory answer, we won't be for long.

Whose Winston Shrout? goodf2 does not recomend Winston shrout and have not posted anything of his contact. goodf is under new management,

ceylon2 wrote:

wserra wrote:It appears that it may also be a very unfortunate site.

Under "Useful Contacts", the Admin recommends GOODF. Why are we permitting commercials for a site that recommends Winston Shrout as a "Useful Contact"?

Absent a satisfactory answer, we won't be for long.

Whose Winston Shrout?

A quick Google search shows him to be a person who admitted in court that he hasn't paid taxes for nearly 20 years and created worthless documents that he sent to banks and the U.S. Treasury to relieve debts.He was found guilty on 19 federal charges.

As your recommending a site that quotes Winston's advice you might want to read up on him.

daveBeeston wrote:

ceylon2 wrote:

wserra wrote:It appears that it may also be a very unfortunate site.

Under "Useful Contacts", the Admin recommends GOODF. Why are we permitting commercials for a site that recommends Winston Shrout as a "Useful Contact"?

Absent a satisfactory answer, we won't be for long.

Whose Winston Shrout?

A quick Google search shows him to be a person who admitted in court that he hasn't paid taxes for nearly 20 years and created worthless documents that he sent to banks and the U.S. Treasury to relieve debts.He was found guilty on 19 federal charges.

As your recommending a site that quotes Winston's advice you might want to read up on him.

No need to do a Google search, he's well covered here;

viewtopic.php?f=30&t=9329

ceylon2 wrote:Whose Winston Shrout?

Mine.

goodf2 does not recomend Winston shrout

Yes, it does.

have not posted anything of his contact. goodf is under new management,

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"?

And how about this, right after the reference to Shrout:

Similar to FRN’s A4V’s are worthless except for the value printed on them when the other party has “accepted” that. The difference between FRN’s and A4V lies in the fact that with a Secured Party Creditor a lien is placed on your birth certificate estate when an A4V is involved. There is a value placed on birth certificate bonds and these are traded so that you could at one time look up the value using the birth certificate or cusip number. Birth certificates are used by the government as collateral for taking out additional loans from International Creditors such as IMF, Rothschild European banks and others.

Complete sovrun horseshit.

The new boss may be worse than the old boss.

goodf2 does not recomend Winston shrout

Yes, it does.

That is your link not mine, my link does not add a forum connection such as a4v my link directs to home page of the new owner who does not recommend the freeman rout only legislated

You could be right in saying the new boss could be worse that the old boss, but only time will tell. I have spoken to the owners and they state they do not recommend their methods. They have locked the forum and it was ceylon who banned himself to make it look good for himself and keep his followers who are probably drugged up to the eye balls

ceylon2 wrote:They have locked the forum

Yes... Locked... Not deleted the huge pile of idiotic advice that makes people's problems infinitely worse.

longdog wrote:

ceylon2 wrote:They have locked the forum

Yes... Locked... Not deleted the huge pile of idiotic advice that makes people's problems infinitely worse.

You actually think like me, cool

ceylon2 wrote:

goodf2 does not recomend Winston shrout

Yes, it does.

That is your link not mine, my link does not add a forum connection such as a4v my link directs to home page of the new owner who does not recommend the freeman rout only legislated

I struggle to see how the new owners of the site you recommend are not advocating the Freeman route given they have the A4V and birth certificate nonsense under the resources section of that site.

ceylon2 wrote: my link directs to home page of the new owner who does not recommend the freeman rout only legislated

You could be right in saying the new boss could be worse that the old boss, but only time will tell. I have spoken to the owners and they state they do not recommend their methods

In your OP you said it was your forum. Is that correct?

For those who are muddled:

1) The original Ceylon aka Mark, SriLanker etc, was mastermind of the original getoutofdebtfree forum.

2) He apparently lost control of that forum or quietly accepted a payment to relinquish it, and a debt management firm uses the inbound links to promote their business.

3) Our new OP, ceylon2, has set up a forum goodf2 and invites us to help any visitors to his site to provide sensible advice (presumably talk to your creditor, don't ignore letters, consult the CAB, ...).

There is of course also the new goodf which the original Ceylon also uses to promote his mad videos on mad topics, and has a few other mad members plugging their ideas of how to reinterpret the law to prove that 2+2 is in fact 0, so you don't need a driving licence, pay tax, etc.

Seems like more of an "anti-ceylon" judging by the book he's promoting ..

The Laws of Mark Ceylon & Jon Witterick: (A road to misery)

rumpelstilzchen wrote:

ceylon2 wrote: my link directs to home page of the new owner who does not recommend the freeman rout only legislated

You could be right in saying the new boss could be worse that the old boss, but only time will tell. I have spoken to the owners and they state they do not recommend their methods

In your OP you said it was your forum. Is that correct?

No it's not my forum, my forum is in my signature although it appears like colon's forum. Possibly a misunderstanding. My username is ceylon2 but im the good one that was once stung by them. I actually thought i struck gold but soon realised. I studied bachelor of laws LLb in my 3rd year now.

aesmith wrote:Seems like more of an "anti-ceylon" judging by the book he's promoting ..

The Laws of Mark Ceylon & Jon Witterick: (A road to misery)

Anti ceylon methods, i do not know him personally as a person.

HardyW wrote:For those who are muddled:

1) The original Ceylon aka Mark, SriLanker etc, was mastermind of the original getoutofdebtfree forum.

2) He apparently lost control of that forum or quietly accepted a payment to relinquish it, and a debt management firm uses the inbound links to promote their business.

3) Our new OP, ceylon2, has set up a forum goodf2 and invites us to help any visitors to his site to provide sensible advice (presumably talk to your creditor, don't ignore letters, consult the CAB, ...).

There is of course also the new goodf which the original Ceylon also uses to promote his mad videos on mad topics, and has a few other mad members plugging their ideas of how to reinterpret the law to prove that 2+2 is in fact 0, so you don't need a driving licence, pay tax, etc.

100 percent correct. Ceylon knows what i am up to because i contacted him to tell him. The moron is mental but i do know he charges entrance fees to vulnerable member who have found themselves in financial trouble. It is these people i am targeting and others who might think of jumping on the nutters waggon.

ps
That is entrance fees to his meetings

By the way, the a4v has been removed. I contacted them to see why they are still advertising it. The guy stated he didn't know it was still up. They are a subsiduary of simplefs dit co dit uk

ps

ceylon uses a forum which is similar but without the 2

ceylon2 wrote:By the way, the a4v has been removed. I contacted them to see why they are still advertising it. The guy stated he didn't know it was still up. They are a subsiduary of simplefs dit co dit uk

Still there at https://www.getoutofdebtfree.org/a4v/