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Post by aesmith »

The catalogue of wins keeps growing ..
Pete Ponchorat Maddison wrote: Stopped paying CT after putting Council on notice (CEO, legal dept' & 3 named people). They sent the usual rubbish back, then sent debt to DCA, who I also put on notice and they returned it back to council. They then contacted benefit section and arranged to have toe money stolen from me at just under £4 a week, with an indefinite end date.
Graeme Marland wrote: Shit, pressed enter instead of backspace....anyway aye, the sheriff officers done their bit as well, on about wage arrestment , so I phoned the agency who deal with my pay, they said they will not stop any wages arrestment, I said cheers very much for that !!!!!! As it had all got to this late stage, and after me sitting and talking with my better half, it was decided to make a payment plan.
Although to be fair Graeme hasn't sent the correct notices.
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Post by Wakeman52 »

FCOL. FFS.

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Post by SteveUK »

nope, me neither
Just a little question, government with progative powers can ratify treaty's so how do we no that the queen gave her concent to the treaty's, and according to Albert yesterday the Royal progative as not been used since Queen Anne I think he said, and that the person teaching the queen about constitutional law was a Fabian, that's wot one of the pen dragons says anyway, they seem to be on that show a lot.
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The reference to Queen Anne gives away that he is thinking of the Royal Prerogative; Queen Anne was the last monarch to withhold assent to a bill (in 1708).

The rest of it, about Albert and Fabians, is loonwaffle of the finest* kind.

*Not a compliment.
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rosy wrote:The reference to Queen Anne gives away that he is thinking of the Royal Prerogative; Queen Anne was the last monarch to withhold assent to a bill (in 1708).

The rest of it, about Albert and Fabians, is loonwaffle of the finest* kind.

*Not a compliment.
Add a couple of hundred years or so on to that for Canada. The last time the monarch withheld Royal Assent here was in 1945.
The lieutenant governor alone is also constitutionally mandated to summon the legislature.[43] Beyond that, the viceroy carries out the other conventional parliamentary duties in the sovereign's stead, including reading the Speech From the Throne and proroguing and dissolving parliament. The lieutenant governor also grants Royal Assent in the Queen's name; legally, he or she has three options: grant Royal Assent (making the bill law), withhold Royal Assent (vetoing the bill), or reserve the bill for the signification of the governor general's pleasure.[44] If the governor general withholds the Queen's assent, the sovereign may within two years disallow the bill, thereby annulling the law in question.

R. MacGregor Dawson opined that, following Confederation, the lieutenant governors diverged from the governor general in that they continued to demonstrate a power independent of the Cabinet and parliament; lieutenant governors had variously dismissed governments, refused the advice of ministers, and insisted on the creation of royal commissions. Altogether, lieutenant governors had also withheld Royal Assent to bills 28 times and reserved bills for the consideration of the governor general 71 times. The last example of the former was, however, in 1945 and the latter in 1961.[n 5][42][47] Relations between lieutenant governor and Cabinet have also at times been strained by ministers' unwillingness to openly acknowledge the authority of a federal appointee, often recommended by a federal prime minister who adhered to different political beliefs.[42]
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Oh dear ,£11k. It’s Crabbie all over again.

But he has a cunning plan involving junk paperwork
my local council is looking for £11,000 of debt for business rates that i categorically do not owe, and are trying to make me bankrupt, i have a court hearing on the 9th of january
i know a few bits and bobs about common law and the constitution but i dont think i have enough knowledge to defeat these criminals, i need the help and advice of someone more experienced, i am willing to pay for someones time to help me put my case together i mean providing its not an extortionate amount, i have previously a few years ago been given 85 days jail for non-payment of business rates and was in the cells for a few hours until a friend paid for my bail

i need all the help i can get please, at the moment my plan is to issue the council & the council's solicitor firm a Notice of Conditional Acceptance Upon Proof of Claim
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So the council is after £11,000 he "categorically do(es) not owe" and he is going to defeat this with his "bits and bobs about common law and the constitution" and his magik paperwork. Sure that'll work, this time for sure.

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Post by rosy »

He is willing to pay for advice, but because I am kind and helpful, I will give him my advice for free.

Pay your debts, including business rates and council tax. If you can't afford to pay in one go, come to an arrangement with your creditors that you can afford, and keep up with your payments. If it is too late and you cannot avoid bankruptcy, co-operate with the Official Receiver and it will all be over after a year - your credit rating will be fucked but I suspect it's not very good anyway.

On a related note, Albert and the Fabians is the name of my new band, specialising in covers of prog-rock greats.
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rosy wrote:...specialising in covers of prog-rock greats.
That'll be a very compact disc.
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longdog wrote:
rosy wrote:...specialising in covers of prog-rock greats.
That'll be a very compact disc.
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Post by SteveUK »

Aah, false alarm. Pete has it all under control
If you're under oath and uses the notices properly and do NOT attend their fake court, you should be ok. Just have a look through the files section and read the successes people have had.
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aesmith wrote:The catalogue of wins keeps growing ..
Pete Ponchorat Maddison wrote: Stopped paying CT after putting Council on notice (CEO, legal dept' & 3 named people). They sent the usual rubbish back, then sent debt to DCA, who I also put on notice and they returned it back to council. They then contacted benefit section and arranged to have toe money stolen from me at just under £4 a week, with an indefinite end date.
Graeme Marland wrote: Shit, pressed enter instead of backspace....anyway aye, the sheriff officers done their bit as well, on about wage arrestment , so I phoned the agency who deal with my pay, they said they will not stop any wages arrestment, I said cheers very much for that !!!!!! As it had all got to this late stage, and after me sitting and talking with my better half, it was decided to make a payment plan.
Although to be fair Graeme hasn't sent the correct notices.
For the older members with knowledge of UK "culture", it has just crossed my mind that these FMOTLs are convincing as Cupid Stunt with the phrase "But it was all done in the best possible taste" replaced by "But it was all done under duress".
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SteveUK wrote:Aah, false alarm. Pete has it all under control
If you're under oath and uses the notices properly and do NOT attend their fake court, you should be ok. Just have a look through the files section and read the successes people have had.
Yeah, like Mark and Caroline. They were under oath, and they used the notices properly (personally coached by David Robinson), and they refused to attend the fake court. That went really well, nothing to worry about.... :haha: :haha:
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i need all the help i can get please, at the moment my plan is to issue the council & the council's solicitor firm a Notice of Conditional Acceptance Upon Proof of Claim
Here’s some free help.

Do. Not. Do. It.

Just don’t.

The “Notice of Unconditional Nonsense” has less chance of getting the debt sorted out than a three-legged cow has in the Grand National.

Talk to the council. Explain why you think the amount they are after is wrong. Get help from people who actually know the law of the land about business rates and know how to negotiate with the council - a specialist solicitor, accountant, Citizens Advice. Maybe hire a consultant who specialises in looking at businesses and seeing if the business rates banding and charges are correct and if they aren’t knows how to set about getting things put right in a way that works.
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rosy wrote:
longdog wrote:
rosy wrote:...specialising in covers of prog-rock greats.
That'll be a very compact disc.
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Numpty Ant is baffled as to why the magna carta hasn't got him off his PCN.

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The advice was actually sounding sane for once, until along comes Mark Conway.
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Robert White Looks like they've done a bit of research and they do have a point about it being private land. Have you had a look at the photographic evidence?


Ant Cartz Yeh at least they have bothered to look at it.its all recorded with photo evidence.still not getting a penny off me.i havent committed any crime.just gunna play with them i reckon

Robert White Well at least they will know they can't take you to any of the corrupt courts.
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Ant Cartz Haha yeh they even state its not criminal but then threaten people with court action.condradict thereselves


Julian Daniels I'm not very up on this sort of stuff but I seem to remember reading somewhere that only by buying a ticket are you entering into a contract with them.
If you don't buy one you are just trespassing.

Ant Cartz Yeh sounds right mate cant b entering a contract just by parking your car somewhere.will have to look into it
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Mark P Conway remember any time you enter into one of these car parks put a clear sign in your back window saying "I am parking here unlawfully no contract"
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SteveUK wrote: Numpty Ant is baffled as to why the magna carta hasn't got him off his PCN.
But, but, a quick check shows that his car is taxed & MOT'd until well into next year.....

So he just wants to be a rebel when it suits. I thought that the letter he got contained a thorough demolition of his case for using A61 to get off paying a parking fine; well done, whoever that was.
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Post by hucknallred »

SteveUK wrote:Numpty Ant is baffled as to why the magna carta hasn't got him off his PCN.
It's a private parking charge, which are generally easily seen off unlike council ones. Until 2012 the advice was to ignore them. The The Protection Of Freedoms Act came in (POFA), this banned clamping on private land, but gave PPC's the power to pursue the registered keeper, provided the Notice to keeper is compliant with POFA. Excel don't bother doing this though.

Anyway, he may get away with it, they'd have to take it to small claims court, which is a lottery. Excel do take these to court, the worst that can happen is he'll ignore court papers & get a default CCJ, which Excel won't try to enforce with HCEO's. First he'll know about it is when he applies for a mobile contract, credit card or loan.
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SteveUK wrote:Oh dear ,£11k. It’s Crabbie all over again.

But he has a cunning plan involving junk paperwork
my local council is looking for £11,000 of debt for business rates that i categorically do not owe, and are trying to make me bankrupt, i have a court hearing on the 9th of january
i know a few bits and bobs about common law and the constitution but i dont think i have enough knowledge to defeat these criminals, i need the help and advice of someone more experienced, i am willing to pay for someones time to help me put my case together i mean providing its not an extortionate amount, i have previously a few years ago been given 85 days jail for non-payment of business rates and was in the cells for a few hours until a friend paid for my bail

i need all the help i can get please, at the moment my plan is to issue the council & the council's solicitor firm a Notice of Conditional Acceptance Upon Proof of Claim
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a bit more background from Crab bait Mk II
Sean Joseph Flattery ok so the story goes
my ltd company entered into a commercial lease (scrap yard) 7 years @£10500 per annum one condition I put in this lease " as long as the rateable value was corrected properly
on the VOA website
"scrapyards across England and Wales have been revised in 2011 their is no reason found that rateable should be different to local land value "
It was on the open market for months @12k per annum but my company ended up having a deal @ 10.5k with a 6 months rent free period
firstly the council started writing to me care of the ltd company. which is wrong. but they do this deliberately as you cannot jail a ltd company .
ok so local land value £10500 open market price
rateable value £25,000
advised by council to talk to VOA took about 3 months for a very young girl to arrive at the site first words "I was going to cancel because it looks like rain"
looking from the office door taking notes .some weeks later issues a new valuation of £20k I complained her boss took over and reduced to £16k
Still not in line with their own rules from their website (volume 5 )
I was then invited to take it to their appeal board.
so i asked for them to tell me how they arrived at the figures £16k so I had a base to start an appeal
I was told that was privileged information
again reminded them of their own rules from their website.
ok as a small business my company was entitled to "small business rates relief " if my rateable value was less than £12.5k
also a small % for being on a incline (hill) small discount for no services . small discount for uneven surface. small discount for no fencing to part of the yard ect
so i calculated what I thought was right and made an off way in excess of this. They refused it .
took the company to court.
I then gathered all the correspondence made 3 different paganated folders one for the magistrate one for the council one for myself. the judge would not even look at it . he said I'm here to here you owe £9000 Bill for business rates. that's all.
so i said to the judge this alledged £9000 is until next December (we are now June) you will be making a judgement on money's that my company didn't even owe. what happens if I leave the premises tomorrow my company . He then asked the council "is this right " their reply " this is our normal practice "
judgment granted.
I said I will appeal
the Clark stood up and said "no right to appeal "
so i cleared out of the premises another old boy that I knew took over. I didn't inform the council just gave the old boy the landlords number
after a long period this old boy got quite I'll an asked me to look after his property and dogs so i formed a new ltd company and along with two other ltd company's shared the yard.
what the council are trying to make me bankrupt for is the few months that the old boy had the yard
hope this makes some sort of sense
oh by the way I have since found out rural areas discount id if population of less than 3000 people which the council mostly ignore
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