Practical Lawful Dissent FMOTL antics, continued...

[mufc1959]

I think the other factor is age, and the alleged male menopause.

When a chap reaches his 50's, there is a process of reflection, including mourning and satisfaction...

Bloody hell, Hercule, that was spot on, except I was going to be centre forward for Man Utd, once Bobby Charlton conceded I was the better candidate for the No. 9 shirt.

[Wakeman52]

As a long-term sufferer from hypertension, which has been under reasonable control by 2 x drugs daily, I can confirm some of these symptoms prior to starting on the current medication:

Headaches (particularly at the back of the head and in the morning), as well as ... tinnitus (buzzing or hissing in the ears), altered vision or fainting episodes.

Although, to be fair, with a history of asthma, bronchitis & migraines, those kind of things I'd come to accept as routine. So, mine was diagnosed during a visit to my GP over swollen feet & ankles, another symptom. It's described as 'essential', which basically means there is no obvious cause! There is a family history of death by heart attacks at a relatively young age, so to have passed my 65th birthday apparently counted as something of an achievement. I have now it seems, some years later, developed a heart murmur, which is under investigation.

My advice to anyone who cares to listen. You have a GP; go & see them if you have a medical issue; that's what they're for. Forget about radiation being beamed at you by the 'PTB''. If they really wanted to kill you, there are far easier ways, all of which do not require a conspiracy theory...

[JimUk1]

As a long-term sufferer from hypertension, which has been under reasonable control by 2 x drugs daily, I can confirm some of these symptoms prior to starting on the current medication:

Headaches (particularly at the back of the head and in the morning), as well as ... tinnitus (buzzing or hissing in the ears), altered vision or fainting episodes.

My advice to anyone who cares to listen. You have a GP; go & see them if you have a medical issue; that's what they're for. Forget about radiation being beamed at you by the 'PTB''. If they really wanted to kill you, there are far easier ways, all of which do not require a conspiracy theory...

As yes, but your GP is nothing but a big pharma shill!

Medical school consists of talks by the CEO of Smith & Nephew and GSK, brainwashing you into selling thier products!

That’s how paranoid these people are. Every perceived government controlled institution is in on it....some how?

[Wakeman52]

Point taken. I just hate to see people condemning themselves to an early grave.

[Siegfried Shrink]

Point taken. I just hate to see people condemning themselves to an early grave.

Very commendable since condemning others to early graves is one of their most popular pastimes.

[JimUk1]

Point taken. I just hate to see people condemning themselves to an early grave.

Conspiracy is the reality of the world for these people.

They’re poisoning the water.

They’re poisoning our food.

They use drugs to subdue you.

It’s a terrible place being in the rabbit hole, and even hard to get out.

Terrible shame they think doctors are here to actually kill people!

[longdog]

I wonder if anybody's ever done a study looking at how many people die unnecessarily because of medical conspiracy theories, charlatan 'doctors' and 'alternative' health gurus.

To a certain extent I suppose it would be Darwinism in action were it not for the fact a significant number of these kooks inflict their 'alternative' treatments and lack of proper medical care, like vaccines, on children too young and powerless to defend themselves.

[ArthurWankspittle]

Although, to be fair, with a history of asthma, bronchitis & migraines, those kind of things I'd come to accept as routine. So, mine was diagnosed during a visit to my GP over swollen feet & ankles, another symptom. It's described as 'essential', which basically means there is no obvious cause! There is a family history of death by heart attacks at a relatively young age, so to have passed my 65th birthday apparently counted as something of an achievement. I have now it seems, some years later, developed a heart murmur, which is under investigation.

Maybe check with your GP but, something I learned recently, carry an aspirin with you in case the worst happens.

[Siegfried Shrink]

Maybe check with your GP but, something I learned recently, carry an aspirin with you in case the worst happens.

How would an asprin help if you are carried off by Ravens?

[daveBeeston]

Maybe check with your GP but, something I learned recently, carry an aspirin with you in case the worst happens.

How would an asprin help if you are carried off by Ravens?

You could use it for an in flight snack as i don't suppose Ravens carry peanuts....

[longdog]

Remember the person who got hit with a £100 penalty charge for falsely claiming free dental treatment? Turns out the were 'under A61' after all which leads to Dismal Dave handing down another ruling...

David Robinson

The short answer is to conditionally accept the fine ...if the people working at the practice are not standing under the invocation of article 61 then it would be illegal to provide them with any aid. By serving such a notice you will at least be educating them as to the treason they are probably completely unaware of....

It's clear from that post that Depressing Dave doesn't understand what's going on. Leaving aside the whole idiotic idea that paying a dentist for treatment received is illegal he doesn't understand that the £100 penalty charge was imposed by the NHS not the dentist and is payable directly to the NHS.

For my foreign and colonial readers I'd better explain... In the UK the vast majority of dentists are in private practice but the bulk of their work is NHS work. It's rare to find a dentist who doesn't do NHS work (a completely private practice) or dentist who works directly for the NHS (hospital specialists mainly).

Now... Patients at most dentists doing NHS work fall into one of three groups...

1) Free treatment. Available to children, people on low income, people with certain medical conditions.

2) 'NHS patients'. These pay for treatment according to an NHS scale which sets the maximum payable for a course of treatment. The NHS pays the dentist the difference between the fees charged directly to the patient and whatever the cost of treatment actually is. https://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/1781.aspx?CategoryID=74

3) Private. What it says on the tin. Pay full price.

Most people fall into one of the first two categories. The 'rebel' in this case should've been in the NHS treatment category but claimed free treatment so they got hit with a £100 penalty. This also happens if you claim a free prescription when you should've paid the £8.60 per item charge. The form you sign at the time of claiming free treatment / prescriptions contains a warning that false claims will attract a £100 'fine' and state clearly that if you are in doubt you should pay the treatment / prescription charge, get a receipt and you can claim the money back where applicable.

Dave 'Begging Bowl' Robinson is edging ever nearer to peak stupid. Paying a dentist being illegal and aiding and abetting treason is just one short step from saying it's illegal to pay for your food in Tesco and shoplifting is not only legal but the only legal way to obtain your wants and needs.

[exiledscouser]

He’s a duplicitous one that Dave Robinson.

Everything is unlawful he states, especially his despised statutes. If its not since the Barons wrote to the Queen in 2001 or the Treasonous Treaty of Nice (whenever that was), then its the move from the gold standard in 1930, something or other that happened in 1911, the Act of Union 1701 and - most treasonous of the treasony treasonous, the Magna Carta 1297 which blunted and annulled most of his treasured 1215 version. He isn’t at all happy either with the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 which treasonously, seditiously maliciously and once more treasonously abolished the death penalty in the UK.

Sheeesh, take your eye off those politicians for half a minute and they’ll spoil all your fun.

I’ve formed the view that no matter how anyone might try and appease Dreary Dave, there’d always be just one more treaty, vague decree or ambiguous utterance that he’d roll out to keep his belief system afloat. No, statutes are EVIL and without force, utterly. That's as final as a ruling of the Common Law Court. Unless..... Unless of course it fits in with his narrative, then it’s a big hello to the Misprision of Treason Act 1795 (section 1 no less) and please, give it up, a huge PLD welcome to both the Bill of Rights 1689 and the Coronation Oath of 1688 which are plucked from the statute books, given the PLD once-over and pressed (or distressed) into service.

He is obsessed with the belief that the UK has surrendered, completely, to a ‘foreign power’ which has stationed its troops throughout our soil and whose jack-booted police forces even now trample on the populace – all in plain sight. Hell, where I live I’d be delighted to see the Gendarmerie doling out speeding tickets, I’d offer a cuppa and a jam scone to any passing member of the Carabinieri and perhaps the Bundeskriminalamt will have more success than the local lot finding out who burgled my shed & nicked my bike.

Dave despises Council Tax and has gone to some lengths to avoid his obligations, writing endlessly to his local authority to no effect whatsoever. He has equal distain and contempt for the state too but is outraged when anything cuts off, interferes with or otherwise reduces his state hand-outs so he can continue his miserable workshy existence. Ironically and all the while living, it would appear, rent free in some cosy sheltered housing accommodation paid for by - surely not! – the hated Daventry District Council to whom he refuses to contribute. Dave is 52 and on his own admission has been out of work and in receipt of benefits since 1988 due to muscular dystrophy – a thirty year indolent career achieving not very much. I know a number of MD sufferers who manage their illness, are in full time employment, who are active, fun to be around and valued members of their local communities. His present housing must be a bit better than his 2010 circumstances when he revealed;

i live in a converted truck and have no tax nor insurance

He is a very unlikely figure to ‘lead’ the couple of dozen actual, active PLD members but the alternative is some jail-bird estuary thug who draws stuff on his forehead. He claims not to be a Freeman on the Land yet his rambling letters to authority always start and end with Footly word-soups with healthy dollops all the way through, stuff that was in use when FMOTL (the UK version) was first active ten to fifteen years ago. The following examples live on into 2018;

Notice to agent etc.
Full commercial liability under penalty of perjury
Notice of understanding
Opportunity to cure
It informs you. It means what it says.
Without frivolity, vexation or ill-will
Whereas it is my understanding
Unalienable rights

Yadda yadda yadda. Dismal is just the next evolution of a failed cult borrowed from US crazies. His first foray into Footleism was in 2009 when he saw the late John Harris;

I am fairly new to the freeman on the land concept, yet I was so impressed by what I heard when john Harris made his presentation at GLASTONBURY AROUND nOV 2009, especially as the question was posed by a member of the audiance "would i still be entitled to state benefits as a freeman on the land?"and the answer john gave was "yes", (As a disabled man i am reliant upon state benefits and would find it extremely difficult to manage if i were not eligable for this.) i sent off my first affidavit of lawful rebellion and am waiting the 40 days to elapse before i send the second. However, i was recently told by a friend who made claim to have researched the lawful rebellion concept to a large degree, that without a national insurance number which he made the claim "we give up or resign" when entering into lawful rebellion, he claims we cannot then receive state benefits. Please can somebody confirm or deny his claims as i can find no reference to this in the search engine on this site ? thanx, David, of the robinson family

Money mattered, even then.

In 2010 Dave was already splitting from Harris’ teachings and we learn a snippet of his somewhat lonely existence;

Thank you for your insight my friend, sadly i have a family that for the past 12 years have not trusted the information i have offered, with as many excuses to not take responsibility for their lives as you could possibly imagine ! so it seems then that i cannot afford to send my second affidavit or i shall be in extreme poverty. I am angry about this as john harris has given me wrong info and further more ( although he is a busy man) has not answered my message to him on the tpuc forum. Well i will NOT be apart of a system that indulges in peadophilia, murder, fraud and Treason so i am really going to be in financial difficulty

Warming to his theme, its back to money matters;

Also i have been challenged by some people who have stated that we cannot receive benefits once in lawful rebellion, of which i have replied that to my understanding we can. Now this has damaged my credibility with those people, completely undoing many years of hard work just to get them to look for themselves. This in my view is unacceptable and therefore i shall not be apart of the tpuc in future. I detest disinformation and i have to question the motives of the tpuc from my personal experience. Yes we all make mistakes, but this is too dangerous a situation to be trusting advice from those whom say they know then back track on their info. I am not a happy man

He quickly overcomes this knotty problem though with this take on benefits, the post also dating back to 2010;

it maybe a moral issue to represent the person where it suits, and refuse to represent the person where it does not, i personally have absolutely no problem with using the money that the state provides to help the demise of the state under these extreme circumstances. Infact i would go as far as to say that the more i can get from these perverted thugs, the less they have to spend on things like chemtrails and bombs to kill us with. I could argue then that it is my duty to get all i can from this system without aiding and abetting it, lol but yea that maybe taking things a little to far eh ? Anyway, i have spent literally thousands of pounds on items over the last 12 years purely to help people understand what is really happening to their country, and so personally i am happy to represent the person where it helps me to persist in this endevour.

Everyone is seditious, treasonous, a traitor. “There are NO courts and the entire judiciary is corrupt” he opines. He sees conspiracy and secret organisations behind everything and for very many years.

i was followed in 2000 for a while and intimidated by plain clothed men in cars after i produced 500 copies of a music c.d. all about treason.

He sincerely and I've no doubt honestly believes himself to be under full-time attack from shadowy forces who are apparently afraid that some gloomy unemployed, unemployable time-waster in some council flat is going to discover the Troof and expose what’s REALLY been going on. He thinks his little band should ‘arrest’ and imprison the police (who are all imposters) and the judges (imposters too, everyone in local and national government (more of the same which must also include prison officers) and all those treasonous workers within the utility companies who have seditiously been supplying gas,water and electricity since 2001 but gives no more detail as to what happens next, who will jail the jailers other than grizzly hints that offenders will hang.

According to him those actively conspiring against him includes 99% of the UK population. Come the day he will convene a “Court de Jure” at which he will “bring those who aid and abet high treason to justice”. Logistically, his 1% would struggle to bring his own peculiar form of ‘justice’ to the rest of us but you'd be treasonous to think so.

He reports getting headaches and hearing noises all the time, as others have observed, all consistent with the symptons of untreated hypertension, not at all helped by a PLD poster who in all seriousness suggests a tin foil hat.

Still, when his followers point out that, whilst they might share some of his view, they have no wish to crash and burn too he gives them instant absolution in the form of 'doing (whatever) under duress' which is what they all proceed to do - treason lite.

I guess I must be in LR too because I've been paying income & Council tax, VAT and national insurance under duress for the last thirty years - never once have I volunteered any money. Power to the People!

[Siegfried Shrink]

A cogent summary with some historical perspective, invaluable for new readers. And a reminder for old ones.

[ArthurWankspittle]

Am I remembering correctly? John Harris was the minor SovCit/FOTL guru who killed himself?

[exiledscouser]

Am I remembering correctly? John Harris was the minor SovCit/FOTL guru who killed himself?

Sadly that’s right.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/John_Harris

Ironically he renounced many of his beliefs before the end, particulary lawful rebellion.

[SteveUK]

Am I remembering correctly? John Harris was the minor SovCit/FOTL guru who killed himself?

Yup, I’m many ways a god father of UK footlism. His ‘it’s all an illusion’ garbage went wild.

After he topped himself , his family would occasionally pop up online cursing at footlers . They’ve never forgiven John or the rest of the crew. Said it tore their family apart and one day he realised that, but it was too late.

The rest is history. A sad tale.

[AndyPandy]

pauline
Bev Lloyd Hi before I knew about lawful rebellion HMRC said I had been overpaid tax credits & I had to pay it back. I didn't have hundreds sitting around obvs lol .... er hello im on tax credits for a reason doh & it ain't cos im loaded !! So I told them I had given them the req'd info & if they are unable to work it out correctly that really isn't my fault or problem. End of story. They've sent a couple of letters over the years but I've ignored them. If I receive one now I'll put them under notice & follow the process as they have no authority anyway at this time all the best

That's OK, Pauline, don't bother paying it back, but don't squeal too loudly when years down the line they deduct if from your state pension.

[longdog]

pauline
Bev Lloyd Hi before I knew about lawful rebellion HMRC said I had been overpaid tax credits & I had to pay it back. I didn't have hundreds sitting around obvs lol .... er hello im on tax credits for a reason doh & it ain't cos im loaded !! So I told them I had given them the req'd info & if they are unable to work it out correctly that really isn't my fault or problem. End of story. They've sent a couple of letters over the years but I've ignored them. If I receive one now I'll put them under notice & follow the process as they have no authority anyway at this time all the best

That's OK, Pauline, don't bother paying it back, but don't squeal too loudly when years down the line they deduct if from your state pension.

Ah... One of the all time greatest scenes in the PLD playbook....

"The department of xxxxx say they want money off me. What can I do?"

"Sign your oath, send them the notices in the files section and ignore them there's nothing they can do".

"They're deducting it from my wages / benefits what can I do"

"TREASON!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Rinse and repeat.

[Hercule Parrot]

Am I remembering correctly? John Harris was the minor SovCit/FOTL guru who killed himself?

Sadly that’s right.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/John_Harris
Ironically he renounced many of his beliefs before the end, particulary lawful rebellion.

At the time he was quite a major guru. You might almost think they bumped him off to avoid his heretic apostasy becoming known. This of us who know the movement better can confirm this did not happen, because none of them could be arsed to organise it.

[Chaos]

Maybe check with your GP but, something I learned recently, carry an aspirin with you in case the worst happens.

How would an asprin help if you are carried off by Ravens?

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