Birthers Again

[Pottapaug1938]

Hey, Oily -- how does the Constitution define "treason" in Article III, Section 3? And, does the crime of "high treason" exist anywhere in US law? Being a lawyer, you should be able to find the answer easily.

[notorial dissent]

She'll just ask some other illiterate to look it up fore her liked she does everything else, and then still get it wrong. if she can't be bothered with reading court rules, why should she bother with something like the constitution?

[fortinbras]

"HIgh treason", per se, does not exist in US law, although the phrase might be used in a sort of unofficial sense to describe treason done in a particularly nasty way.

Notwithstanding Taitz's claims, etc., even if Obama were not born in the US, I do not see how he - or anyone defending his occupancy of the White House - "levied war against the United States" or gave aid and comfort to the enemy.

[Deep Knight]

"High Treason" is the top Dark Agenda performance review rating. You gotta really kiss Satan's butt to get one of those.

Imagine what any of these birthers would do if the government, or for that matter some insane website, started digging into their online records and making wild aspersions like they've been doing for Obama. Let's take Orly for example, how do we know she has only one social security number? After all, I'm sure other SSNs are associated with her dental office or the building it's in, and how do we know it's not her committing high fraud? Or find someone in an online porno who kinda looks like Orly's mother, and make movies claiming it was her and using that as the basis of theories into why they're treasonous bastards. After all, birther's are fairly sensitive types, often getting upset when they find we've put RFID chips in their behinds and are tracking them 24/7, so it's my guess they would take umbrage to such a campaign. Gotta bring it up at the next staff meeting.

[notorial dissent]

Oily doesn't seem to understand Federal law any better than she understands court procedure, or at least she gives a real impression to that effect. She isn't known for letting facts getting in the way of her current fantasy.

[fortinbras]

On another website I was set straight about the database used by birfers for finding all those different SSNs. It is a credit/debt collector's website - probably more than one such was used - in which names and addresses are cross-referenced; names and addresses accumulated over the last half-century or more. A name will lead to address - and probably more than one address, and an address will lead to a multitude of names, and SSNs are somehow thrown into the mix - but connecting which of several SSNs associated with an address belongs to which name is not at all clear. Neither does it seem possible to narrow the dates of the various items.

The birfers used every name they could think of, including misspellings and other variants, for the President and his parents, and then counted every permutation as a hit -- even for a MISTER Stanley Dunham or a Barry Dunham, even if the President is known never to have lived (nor even visited) there, etc. So they come up with a bundle of impossible addresses, SSNs, and name combinations, all of which they attribute to the President simply because this obvious nonsense helps their crank theories.

Now, you may wonder - IF Obama's identity/birthplace is a fraud cooked up by a conspiracy, as the birfers pretend, then why was that conspiracy so damn sloppy about the addresses and SSNs that Obama used? Especially since it took acts of commission to create all those address and SSN records? Even a non-criminal like yourself knows better. So how does such sloppiness fit in with the conspiracy theory?

[ashlynne39]

On another website I was set straight about the database used by birfers for finding all those different SSNs. It is a credit/debt collector's website - probably more than one such was used - in which names and addresses are cross-referenced; names and addresses accumulated over the last half-century or more. A name will lead to address - and probably more than one address, and an address will lead to a multitude of names, and SSNs are somehow thrown into the mix - but connecting which of several SSNs associated with an address belongs to which name is not at all clear. Neither does it seem possible to narrow the dates of the various items.

The birfers used every name they could think of, including misspellings and other variants, for the President and his parents, and then counted every permutation as a hit -- even for a MISTER Stanley Dunham or a Barry Dunham, even if the President is known never to have lived (nor even visited) there, etc. So they come up with a bundle of impossible addresses, SSNs, and name combinations, all of which they attribute to the President simply because this obvious nonsense helps their crank theories.

Now, you may wonder - IF Obama's identity/birthplace is a fraud cooked up by a conspiracy, as the birfers pretend, then why was that conspiracy so damn sloppy about the addresses and SSNs that Obama used? Especially since it took acts of commission to create all those address and SSN records? Even a non-criminal like yourself knows better. So how does such sloppiness fit in with the conspiracy theory?

Ummm, clearly the dark cabal that raised obama knew thatone day from california by way of eastern europe would come a dentist/lawyer who would take up the mantle of freedom against young barack and so they mudied the waters just enough to make her look like an utter moron.

[Dezcad]

No surprise that it was denied today.

No. 12A606
Title:
Edward Noonan, et al., Applicants
v.
Deborah Bowen, California Secretary of State
Docketed: December 13, 2012
Lower Ct: Supreme Court of California
Case Nos.: (S207078)

~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dec 11 2012 Application (12A606) for a stay, submitted to Justice Kennedy.
Dec 13 2012 Application (12A606) denied by Justice Kennedy.
Dec 26 2012 Application (12A606) refiled and submitted to The Chief Justice.
Jan 9 2013 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of February 15, 2013.
Jan 9 2013 Application (12A606) referred to the Court.
Feb 19 2013 Application (12A606) denied by the Court.

[Deep Knight]

OK, so it was denied AS EXPECTED. However, this Pleadingsgate scandal simply will not go away! At least on MacHaffie's site.

Monday, February 18, 2013
Employees Of The Supreme Court Of The United States Caught With-Holding Legal Documents From Supreme Court Justices!

This is lengthy but well worth taking the time to read. Here is some background information for you that is related and for you to use as an example:
Judge David Carter threw Orly Taitz's case out without a hearing several years ago after he had agreed to hear her. Just prior to the date of the hearing, he hired a law clerk by the name of Siddharth Velamoor who just happened to have worked for Perkins Coie Law Firm prior to his employment with Carter. Huh! Guess who was one of the main attorneys at Perkins Coie? None other than Bob Bauer, Obama's attorney in all his eligibility law suits, and the husband of Anita Dunn. Dunn (Glenn Beck's waiting-for-the-red-phone-to-ring-lady) was another one of Obama's appointees and a lover of Mao Tse Tung (sp?).

This law clerk was educated at the Marxist Patrice Lumumbu School of Law in the Soviet Union, who even has Barry Soetoro listed as one of its "Distinguished Alumni". Do you think that is just a coincidence??

The above is based on my accumulation of info over a period of several years...

» barack obama » Press Release: Employees Of The Supreme Court Of The United States Caught With-Holding Legal Documents From Supreme Court Justices!
[Same stuff from Orly as posted yesterday]

Posted by John MacHaffie at 3:40 PM 0 comments

Monday, February 18, 2013
Reported - 5 of 9 Supreme Court Justices Not Given Critical Pleadings on Recent Obama Case

Posted By: Infoeditor
Date: Monday, 18-Feb-2013 17:40:05

Learned from Devvy.com that, apparently, the latest attempt to get The Supreme Court to look at the Obama eligibility matter may have been scuttled or sabotaged.
According to Orly Taitz site, "Press release: clerks of the Supreme Court never forwarded to 5 out of 9 Justices one single page of pleadings, they also did not forward to any of the Justices the Supplemental Brief. Demand for investigation forwarded to Congressman Goodlatte, Chair of the Judiciary Committee of Congress".
If this is true it appears to be an attempt to ignore the issue and case at hand. This would deprive some of the justices the time needed to review the pages of pleadings before the ruling is issued, so how could a ruling be thus issued?!
Reminds one of the recent outburst of indignation in Congress over the practice of waiting until the last moment and dumping reams of data on new bills onto a senator or congessman's desk expecting him/her to pass it, etc., without the necessary time to review. You can spot a modus operandus when it recurs. It appears the same methods used by the DC CONS are still at work.

Posted by John MacHaffie at 7:22 PM

[Pottapaug1938]

So Devvy Kidd has crawled back out from under her rock?

[Deep Knight]

Obama Conspiracy Theories
Fishing for gold coins in a bucket of mud since 2008
By Dr. Conspiracy on February 19, 2013 in Orly Taitz, Supreme Court

In a tersely worded decision today, the United States Supreme Court ruled to let stand the California electoral votes for Barack Obama. The Court failed to be persuaded by Taitz’ allegations of stolen social-security numbers and forged Selective Service applications, and they remained unmoved by Taitz’ threats of treason charges against them. The stay requested by Taitz in the case of Noonan v. Bowen was not granted, leaving Barack Obama securely in the position of President of the United States.

In a related story, the Court also announced that it had denied cert in the case of Sibley v. Obama.

Given that it’s a foregone conclusion, I thought I might as well write the article, and scoop the competition.

Birthers deny that the Supreme Court even saw the case, and don’t read their own orders.

This was a follow-up to Dr. Conspriacy's masterful Monday post:

Orly Taitz ~ U.S. Supreme Court Grants Expedited Decision On Obama Fraud For Tuesday February 19, 2013
By Dr. Conspiracy on February 18, 2013 in Lawsuits, Orly Taitz, Supreme Court
Happy Presidents Day, by the way.

I got the title of this article from Twitter this morning. I’ve spent a little time replying to such things online, and what I say is that the only thing “decided” last Friday, and to be announced February 19, is whether the Supreme Court will grant a stay of the counting of votes in the 2012 Presidential Election in California.

Given that Bender’s time travel codes are as fictional as Taitz’s allegations of a stolen Obama social-security number, there is no way the Supreme Court can stay something that happened already: It would create a time paradox in which both the Obots and the birthers would meld into a vat of temporally overheated Cheese Whiz. Since Taitz hasn’t even filed a petition for the Supreme Court to hear the substance of her appeal, there is nothing for them to decide about “Obama fraud” even if they were inclined to do so; and even if she had filed a writ of certiorari, the Supreme Court is not a trier of facts, and all they would do in any case would to be to refer the case back to the original court for a trial.

Nevertheless, I have grown tired of trying to explain this to birthers, so I give up. The Supreme Court did indeed decide the question of social-security fraud in the case of Obama and they will announce their decision tomorrow, and if dismissed, that means that Orly Taitz’ entire pile of evidence is wrong, her theories are wrong, and the birthers have lost well and truly, let them forever hold their peace. Amen.

The image of "temporally overheated Cheese Whiz" is good, but what's even better are some of the comments.

Graham Shevlin February 18, 2013 at 9:49 am
Graham Shevlin(Quote) # Having waded through the Birther echo chambers on Twitter over the last 3 days, I can confidently predict that there are going to be a lot of disappointed and puzzled people out there on Tuesday if (as we expect) the word Denied appears next to the result of the 15th February conference.
The key things that consistently appear in the Birther tweets never change. They are one or more of the following:
1. There was a hearing on 15th February
2. The hearing was ordered by John Roberts
3. Orly’s compelling and conclusive evidence of SS fraud etc. sent to SCOTUS was reviewed at the hearing
4. A decision will come down on Tuesday to order a full hearing and Obama will be in Deep Trouble immediately
5. Obama has less than 30 days before he is deposed/impeached/led away in chains/(insert Birther fantasy du jour here)
I have corrected a bunch of tweeters already on this crap, but as I suspected, their prevailing approach to contrary information is a variant on “bzzzz I can’t hear you…”. Disappointingly, I have yet to be told that I am an Obot. They must be losing their touch….

Birther Weary February 18, 2013 at 12:28 pm
Birther Weary(Quote) # So, to date she’s publicly accused the SC Justices of treason, she thinks the “Turkish and black” clerks are traitors, she has no idea what evidence is, yet has no problem demanding that her flying monkeys go to their local police and demand investigations of whomever her demented mind thinks is the enemy of the day.
How does she get away with it? Seriously.
I guess disbarment is off the table, but how about sanctions from every court that she’s libeled? Defamation of character lawsuits filed by the people she’s attacked?
What am I missing here?

Andrew Morris February 18, 2013 at 12:29 pm
Andrew Morris(Quote) # But you keep coming back to the same question: does this woman actually have a law degree gained through her own efforts? She doesn’t understand the Constitution, or how the courts work. She doesn’t read the rules. She defames pretty much everyone, commits contempt of court, and preaches this holier-than-thou nonsense which is a bit rich seeing as how she’s alleged to have had at least one affair with another birfer. You wonder how her family puts up with it, but I suppose the answer is that it keeps her away from them.

Andrew Morris February 18, 2013 at 1:03 pm
Andrew Morris(Quote) # Birther Weary
I guess disbarment is off the table
But why? A doctor with this level of incompetence would lose his license. Absolutely she should lose the right to practise (what an apt work) law. She is abusing her privileges as an attorney, subjecting people to significant personal cost, and her abilities are about those of a toddler. I used to live in England. If she’d pulled these stunts there, then by now she’d have been thrown out of the profession, declared a vexatious litigant, sanctioned, probably jailed for contempt and possibly have her citizenship removed and sent back to Moldova.

Yoda February 18, 2013 at 4:50 pm
Yoda(Quote) # Birther Weary: How does she get away with it? Seriously.
Has anyone considered the possibility that she doesn’t want to get away with it?
If you accept the probability that she actually believes what she says, that there is a vast conspiracy and that we are under a tyrannical regime, would not her being punished for going against the regime work to her advantage with her flying monkeys.
Look at Lakin. Those in the rational thinking world know that he plead guilty and, at least at his hearing, expressed remorse for refusing to obey an order. We know that he was not punished for demanding to see the President’s credentials. But he is a martyr and a hero in birferstan. Would not disbarment and imprisonment be a ticket to immortality for Orly, even if only in her own eyes? She has not received any real significant sanctions ($24,000 over the course of 5 years is nothing given her conduct), so why not push the envelope further and further until she she becomes a political prison who was punished for daring to challenge the “regime”?
By any logical analysis, she cannot win. There are only two possibilities, she is either right or she is wrong. If she is wrong she can never win in the long run. If she is right, then part of her being right is that the entire judicial system is corrupt, been bought off or threatened and as a result, she cannot win. In either case, she has no rational expectation of victory, at least not in the method that she chose. Given this truism, a rational person would choose a different approach. She hasn’t. Therefore, I must conclude, from a logical standpoint, that she has ulterior motives which is rooted in losing.
I think that it is to be the thought of as the selfless, tireless hero that she believes herself to be in her own mind. Given the fact that it is impossible for her to win, she must make mileage out of losing. This is why we see the repeated concept of “I have him now” in her tactics. She creates a frenzy among her flying monkeys that makes it seem like she can’t lose, then blames it on the corrupt regime when she does–thus making her both a hero and a victim among her followers.
Either that or she is nucking futz.

Kris February 19, 2013 at 5:51 am
Kris(Quote) # I find it very sad that Orly’s minions continue to believe everything she says, despite the fact that she has lied to them constantly. The woman has never properly filed, served, or argued anything, but repeatedly blames everyone and anything for her failures. She’s totally incompetent at everything except scamming the paranoid lemmings who consider her as their Lady Liberty.
She encouraged her followers to think she was actually going to have a hearing and/or trial at SCOTUS, never bothering to correct their misperceptions. She remained silent when they asked if there would be any witnesses and when they wrote about saving seats for each other on this momentous occasion. She displays virtually no knowledge of law and relies on her followers equal lack of knowledge.
She’s now doing the prep work for her inevitable rejection on Tuesday, once again trying to place the blame on the clerks and the judges, all of whom she falsely characterizes as corrupt and treasonous.
To paraphrase, there will soon be the “screech heard ’round the world” as Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq reacts to the denial of her nonsensical attempts to stay events that have already occurred.

[Deep Knight]

We are proceeding with the demand for the hearing in the Judiciary committee: 5 justices never received the applications, none received the supplemental brief, no signatures anywhere
Posted on | February 19, 2013

Press release

Law offices of Orly Taitz

Attorney Orly Taitz continues with the demand for the Judiciary Committee to investigate the fact that 5 out 9 Justices of the Supreme Court never saw the casesupposedly heard in conference by the Supreme Court and all 9 never saw the supplemental brief filed with SCOTUS, as 5 original sets of briefs were sent back and all supplemental briefs were sent back and never docketed.

An order by the Supreme Court shows a notation after case 12A712 applications denied, which appear to relate to case 12A606, however evidence shows that the case was not heard at all as 5 out of 9 Justices never even got a packet with pleadings.

There are 7 other cases that are proceeding in other courts.

While a part of those cases might be considered moot, such as stays of certifications, the bulk of the cases is not moot, such as Declaratory Relief and RICO (racketeering) cases.

Overwhelming and never refuted evidence shows Barack Obama using a Connecticut Social Security number 042-68-4425, which was never assigned to him according to E-Verify and SSNVS. Sworn affidavit of Chief investigator of special Investigations unit of the U.S. Coast Guard shows Obama using a forged Selective Service Certificate and multiple experts showed the alleged copy of Obama’s birth certificate to be a forgery. In a case in MS, which included the RICO charges, Obama’s personal attorneys submitted a new copy of the birth certificate, which according to experts represents a forgery of a forgery, which was made to minimize the white halo effect around the letters. This white halo effect created by computer manipulation made the initial forgery released on April 27, 2011 a complete joke.

For four and a half years now in spite of multiple legal actions, not one single judge or jury ever saw an original 1961 birth certificate for Obama, original selective service certificate or original SS-5 application for the Social Security number 042-68-4425, which Obama claims to be assigned to him.

Due to lack of any original documents and a mountain of evidence showing the alleged copies to be crude forgeries, it is safe to assume ”original documents” never existed.

Please, keep in mind: if a criminal and his accomplices in high places could steal the U.S. Presidency, the White House, they can steal your house, they can steal anything.

Current policies and proposals by Obama devalued the U.S. dollar by incurring 6.5 trillion debt in 4 years, this devalues the savings of every American. Recent proposed for a sweeping amnesty for at least 11 million illegals (real number range from 30-42 million illegals residing in the U.S.) will further destroy the U.S. job market and further bankrupt the U.S. economy. Recent proposals limiting the second amendment rights will take away the citizens rights to fight the dictatorial regime.

We have a citizen of Indonesia Barry Soebarkah, aka Barry Soetoro, claiming to be Barack Obama, who is usurping the U.S. Presidency with forged and stolen IDs. Obama defaulted in the Eastern District of California. Commissioner of Social Security defaulted in two cases: in MS and DC. both obama and Commissioner of Social Security have nothing to negate the evidence against them.

Please, remember Nixon was forced to resign 6 month after he was reelected. It is up to you, up to each and every American to fight this criminal enterprise ruling the country and regain some decensy and some constitutional and civil rights. If you do not fight for your rights, the ruling criminal enterprise will take away more and more of your rights.

Liberty does not come cheap, you have to fight for your rights. Every American has to join the protests in front of the Federal buildings, offices of congressmen and senators and demand immediate hearing in the US Congress of Obama’s use of forged and stolen IDs. Now there are over 33,000 signatures on the petition by attorney Taitz for the U.S. Congress to investigate Obama’s fored IDs. To sign the petition, please, go to the website OrlyTaitzESQ.com. In the right upper corner of the first page of the web site there is a picture of statue of Liberty with a red button “take action”. Please, click that button, it will lead you to the petition.

Every American citizen is urged to call each and every member of the U.S. House of Represntatives Committee for the Judiciary and demand investigation of Obama’s use of forged IDs and a stolen SSN.

Every American is urged to protest in front of the outlets of the controlled and censored puppet U.S. main stream media, which is indistinguishable in its emptiness from the official media of the Stalinist Soviet Union, Maoist China, Jihadist Iran or NAZI Germany in 1930s. If we do not protest this power grab by this foreign national with forged IDs Soebarkah-Soetoro-Obama, United States of America will resemble Germany in 1940s.

An official complaint of deprivation of the civil and constitutional rights in the United States, including the right to participate in lawful eletions is being filed with the Inter American Commission for Human Rights.

Together we will prevail and together we will defeat the criminal enterpise running this nation.

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[fortinbras]

I am sure that all you were in total suspense about the Supreme Court's handling of Orly Taitz's petition for certiorari. In the list issued by the Court this morning (Tues., Feb 19th), the Supreme Court denied cert for Sibley v. Obama (see page 5):

http://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/cour ... r_19m1.pdf

(PS: When can I say "Our long national nightmare is over" ? Yesterday was President's Day -- the President went out and saw his shadow, so we're due for three more years of gridlock.)

[notorial dissent]

Well, as has been pointed by several previous posters, it's official, Oily's stay petition met its just and due demise, denied without further comment by the SCT today. And, on an equally happy note, Monty Sibley's epic piece of drivel met the same equally just fate as well. Expect howls, or is that shrieks of anguish, and cries of treason treason from the west coast, and more bloviation from the Sibley corner on the east. And to add to the fun, Noonan is scheduled for a dismissal hearing on 3-21, which should add to the atmospheric noise as well.

On a side note, what is it when a lawyer, or in this case ex-lawyer, goes out of his way to generate false legal controversy? Monty has filed another of his "famous" or more appropriately "infamous" legal extravaganzas claiming that a recent act signed in to law concerning mortgage and bank fraud(Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act of 2009, Public Law 111-21. FERA) is null and void because Obama isn't legally President, and has made the template for the filing available to all the poor and oppressed now in prison under that "invalid" law. With the full intention of having the Sovcit and prison communities using it to tie up the courts.

[fortinbras]

Sibley's effort can be found at:
http://montgomeryblairsibley.com/librar ... motion.pdf

Let me put it this way, if you're in such desperate straits that you're taking Sibley's advice, then you'd better start packing your things because you will be dispossessed.

[notorial dissent]

Well, isn't his track record right about on par with Orlena's? It certainly is as far as his birther stuff.

[fortinbras]

The pity of it is that Sibley is conning - even if he is doing it gratis - people who are on the ropes financially and trying desperately to save their homes (sometimes not just for themselves alone but also for the spouse and kids), and following Sibley's free advice is a certainty to lose and lose hard.

Some of those people, if they instead consulted a real lawyer (or even the sort of law clinics that some law schools offer) or some outfit known to social workers, might have a chance of saving their homes or at least postponing the ugliness. But. because they listened to Sibley, trouble comes sooner and it will be nastier.

[notorial dissent]

Actually, what the is peddling is supposed to be a get out of jail card for the ones who are already there, not that it will do them a jot of good. This is just a rehash of the old Fed Criminal code was never lawfully enacted scam that caused such a mess in the courts for a while before the courts got wise and it got squashed. One of the few things you certainly can't accuse Monty of is originality.

[fortinbras]

You are right. Sibley's papers do not address an impending foreclosure, they address a prosecution or an appeal for mortgage fraud. So these guys have already been dispossessed and their goose is already well cooked. And Sibley is making them spin their wheels, using up their chance at either a defense or an appeal on a hopeless pseudolegal argument.

[notorial dissent]

Actually, what he is trying to do is tie up the courts with frivolous litigation, that has zero chance of moving forward, and that is his stated intention.