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I've been ignoring Sorcha Faal recently, but when even Orly Taitz starts to quote her you gotta take notice. Like this startling evidence that Obama killed 5 million Americans and nobody here noticed!!!

Tuesday, October 22, 2013
Evidence That 5 Million Americans Have Been “Disappeared” By Obama Shocks Russia
October 21, 2013
By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers

A shocking new report released today by the Federal Security Service (FSB) states that as many as 5 million Americans have been “disappeared” by the Obama regime during the past 4 ½ years and are presumed to be dead in the worst incident of mass genocide since the Cultural Revolution that took place in the People's Republic of China from 1966 to 1976 and claimed upwards of 20 million lives.

According to this report, a “gravely concerning statistical anomaly” in American death and missing persons records between the years of 2009-2013 was recently brought to the FSB’s attention by noted historian Boris Borisov who in 2008 revealed in his “American Holodomor” research paper that a similar genocide of these peoples took place during the Great Depression where upwards of 7 million of them were, likewise, killed.

[OK, which one of you jokers leaked that report on how FDR had them killed and Eleanor served them at a White House lunch?]
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Factoring into his statistics United States census data from 2000 showing an American population of 281,421,906, and 2010 US census data showing a population of 308,745,538, and then discounting the estimated 32 million deaths and reported missing over this same time period, Professor Borisov’s research “clearly shows” a“gravely concerning statistical anomaly” that when extrapolated to today’s date (2013) leaves over 5 million Americans unaccounted for, this FSB report says.

Most dire to note, this FSB report says, is that Larry Grathwohl, the former US Army Vietnam War hero and FBI undercover agent who in the 1970’s warned the American people about the Obama genocide they would be facing, was mysteriously killed on 18 July two days after he had been contacted by Professor Borisov.

[Five million killed and nobody noticed? Are we Americans dumb or what? But it gets worse.]

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Even worse, this report continues, are that these same left-wing terrorists are also now in charge of what is known as the Obamacare plan, which if allowed to continue, Professor Borisov says, will allow the Obama regime to reach their target of killing the estimated 25 million Americans Grathwohl warned [see video HERE]the Weather Underground was prepared to sacrifice in order to remake the United States into the communist/socialistic state they have long envisioned it to be.

To how soon the Obama regime is about to unleash even more terror upon the American people this report doesn’t say, but according to the influential American dissident Susanne Posel it is coming much sooner than later, and who this past July warned that the Obama regime“knows the collapse is coming” and “is preparing for it now.”

Are you?

[Ed. Note: Western governments and their intelligence services actively campaign against the information found in these reports so as not to alarm their citizens about the many catastrophic Earth changes and events to come, a stance that the Sisters of Sorcha Faal strongly disagrees with in believing that it is every human beings right to know the truth. Due to our missions conflicts with that of those governments, the responses of their ‘agents’ against us has been a longstanding misinformation/misdirection campaign designed to discredit and which is addressed in the report “Who Is Sorcha Faal?”.]

Posted by John MacHaffie at 4:08 PM

That's right, I'm here to discredit such reports in order to keep you sheep, er, guys from realizing that the reason so many houses down the street are empty is that we killed the people who lived in them. They were very good with mustard.
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Probably the greatest American genocide occurred during the Nixon Administration - and had nothing to do with Vietnam.

Nixon had the tax law amended to say that children could not be claimed as dependents or deductions on income tax forms unless their SocSec Numbers were provided to prove they existed and to prevent duplication. Suddenly about 5 million fewer children were being claimed on tax forms!
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IIRC, that was under Reagan, not Nixon.
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I remembered hearing the same thing, but as one of those chain e-mails on how much fraud there is the IRS (although this would seem to be fraud in the American public). I believed the e-mail specified the Carter adminstration, but it turns out it was 1987 and during Reagan's years.

What Snopes has to say:


Declaration of Non-Dependents
Claim: Several million fewer dependents were claimed on federal income tax returns the year the IRS started requiring taxpayers to list the Social Security numbers of their children.

TRUE

Example: [Collected via e-mail, 2006]

I had read at some point that millions of dependents dropped off the 1040 forms the year that the IRS required social security numbers. This seems incredibly high, but I know that it was a fact that there had been a lot of divorced parents both claiming the same children as dependents and people claiming their pets.

Origins: The U.S. federal income tax code requires residents to be responsible for their own taxes — that is, it's up to each taxpayer to reckon his income, determine his allowable deductions, and file a tax return with the Internal Revenue Service (or to hire someone to do it for him). Such a system allows (some say it even encourages) taxpayers to cheat, engaging in everything from fudging the line between business and personal expenses to hiding large amounts of unreported income. Although tax fraud may never be completely eliminated, the increasing use of automated record-keeping and tracking technology has made many of the more common cheating schemes quite difficult, if not impossible, to pull off successfully these
days.

Given how often we're asked to provide our Social Security numbers (they seem to used for just about everything these days), those of us who began paying federal income tax only in the last twenty years might be surprised to discover that not until 1987 did the IRS begin requiring taxpayers to include the Social Security numbers of all dependent children claimed on their returns. After all, listing phony dependents in order to claim illegitimate extra deductions has historically been one of the more common forms of tax fraud, so it makes sense the IRS would always have wanted to track such information as closely as possible.

This is the notion behind the legend — made familiar to many readers by the 2005 best-seller Freakonomics — that the year the IRS did begin asking taxpayers to provide Social Security numbers for all dependent children, the number of claimed dependents suddenly dropped significantly: Some cheating leaves barely a shadow of evidence. In other cases, the evidence is massive. Consider what happened one spring evening at midnight in 1987: seven million American children suddenly disappeared. The worst kidnapping wave in history? Hardly. It was the night of April 15, and the Internal Revenue Service had just changed a rule. Instead of merely listing each dependent child, tax filers were now required to provide a Social Security number for each child. Suddenly, seven million children — children who had existed only as phantom exemptions on the previous year's 1040 forms — vanished, representing about one in ten of all dependent children in the United States.

The "seven million" figure appears to be accurate, as noted in a December 2000 National Tax Journal article by Jeffrey B. Liebman that drew its data from a 1990 Internal Revenue Service conference report: Another way in which taxpayers without children might claim a dependent child is to invent a fictional one. The strongest evidence for this possibility is that in 1987, the first year in which taxpayers were required to list social security numbers of dependents on their tax returns, 7 million fewer dependent children were claimed than in the previous year.
Whether, as suggested by the Freakonomics authors, most or all of that drop in the number of dependents claimed in 1987 was directly attributable to fraud is more difficult to determine, however. The assumption that many taxpayers had previously claimed non-existent children until the newly-implemented Social Security number requirement made it much more difficult for them to safely do so is certainly an obvious one, and seems to be supported by additional information provided by Liebman: Further evidence that nonexistent children may have been claimed comes from the 1988 TCMP [Taxpayer Compliance Measurement Program]. In 1988, taxpayers were required to list on their tax returns the social security numbers of all dependents who were at least five years old. On tax returns where the TCMP auditor disallowed an EITC [Earned Income Tax Credit] claim, 39 percent of the disallowed dependent child claims were dependents for whom the taxpayer checked the box stating the child was under five and did not provide a social security number — possibly because the children did not exist.

Alternative explanations might account for a substantial portion of the drop in number of claimed dependents, though. For example, it was not until 1987 that the IRS first demonstrated a program to allow parents to automatically obtain Social Security numbers for their newborn children when those births were registered, and the program did not become nationwide until 1989. Since the average citizen doesn't generally keep abreast of all the changes made to tax code from year to year until they directly affect him, perhaps many taxpayers sat down to fill out their returns in 1987 and didn't realize until it was too late that they had never applied for Social Security numbers for their children.

It would be informative to examine data including the total number of dependents claimed on federal tax returns in the years before and after 1987 to determine whether there was a large, unrecovered decrease in 1987 (indicative of widespread cheating), or whether the decline was only temporary and the numbers climbed back to something approaching their pre-1987 levels in 1988 and 1989 (indicative of administrative problems), but we haven't been able to obtain this information yet, so for now we can only hypothesize.
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Not about the 5 million Americans we killed and ate (love that Soylent Green), but another WTF post from the MacHaffie site.

Wednesday, October 23, 2013
Hillary Clinton Exposed, Movie She Banned From Theaters

Then it tells how crooked Hilary & Bill were to get her as president!!

Posted by John MacHaffie at 12:51 PM 0 comments

What this and the crappy video linked to tells is the story of a "Hillary Clinton" TV documentary and miniseries that both got cancelled 'cause of protests by her political opponents, not her. Never meant for theaters, never "banned" by Hillary C.

Washington (AFP) - An Oscar-winning filmmaker has dropped plans to make a documentary about Hillary Clinton, following protests by Republican rivals, and a planned TV miniseries about her has also been scrapped.

Charles Ferguson, who was making his film for CNN, faced criticism from Republicans that it would promote the former US secretary of state's expected 2016 presidential run ... Earlier this year, Republicans threatened to prevent two US television networks from carrying party primary debates if they don't abandon planned documentaries on the former first lady.

Then again, you should never let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.
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Are you sure it wasn't Boris Badenov under an alias who wrote that report for the FSB, it would appear that he isn't any better at statistics than he was at catching moose and squirrel. Who knew that the FSB was providing comedy material for Sorcha?
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I am grateful that my error was corrected. Shows that some people take me seriously.
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Last night I watched the movie "The Seventh Victim" on TCM (On Demand in my area at least). A strange-but-interesting 1943 movie about a Satanic cult called the Palladists, they believed in non-violence but also had a by-law that anyone who blabbed was to be killed. So, when the sister of the main character sees a psychiatrist and tells, they kidnap her, put a glass of poison in front of her, and annoy her for hours by repetitively insisting that she drink it.

If this is the way that Devil Worshipers plan on mass-killing the American public, they better have put aside plenty of time.


Palladists
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Palladists is a name for an alleged Theistic Satanist society or member of that society. The name Palladian comes from Pallas and refers to wisdom and learning.

History

In 1891 Léo Taxil (Gabriel Jogand-Pagès) and Adolphe Ricoux claimed to have discovered a Palladian Society. An 1892 French book Le Diable au XIXe siècle (The Devil in the 19th Century", 1892), written by "Dr. Bataille" (actually Jogand-Pagès himself) alleged that Palladists were Satanists based in Charleston, South Carolina headed by the American Freemason Albert Pike and created by the Italian liberal patriot and author, Giuseppe Mazzini.

Arthur Edward Waite, debunking the existence of the group in Devil-Worship in France, or The Question of Lucifer, ch. II: "The Mask of Masonry" (London, 1896), reports that according to "the works of Domenico Margiotta and Dr Bataille" that "The Order of Palladium founded in Paris 20 May 1737 or Sovereign Council of Wisdom" was a "Masonic diabolic order". Dr. Bataille asserted that women would supposedly be initiated as "Companions of Penelope". According to Dr. Bataille, the society had two orders, "Adelph" and "Companion of Ulysses", however the society was broken up by French law enforcement a few years after its foundation.

A supposed Diana Vaughan published Confessions of an Ex-Palladist in 1895. On April 19, 1897 Léo Taxil called a press conference at which, he claimed, he would introduce Diana Vaughan to the press. At the conference instead he announced that his revelations about the Freemasons were fictitious. He thanked the Catholic clergy for their assistance in giving publicity to his wild claims.

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The Palladists are the name of the Greenwich Village satanist society in Val Lewton's film The Seventh Victim.
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Tuesday, October 29, 2013
False Flag alerts

Of all the places to see something like this :
check out the 69 Responses !!! Possible more fear ?????

Arizona says: October 25, 2013 at 12:17 pm

THE LORD says the FOOTBALL game in miami,will be attacked on OCT.31st. by OBOOZO and his forces,and in NOV.,expect three more false flag attacks,BY oboozo and his forces,ALL FALSE FLAG ATTACKS,remember its your own government doing this,no one else,so don’t believe anything they say, THEIR LIEING AS USUAL,about everything………DON’T go to that football game or you’ll be killed…….and GET your MONEY out of everything, their going to crash the entire system into the dirt………………………….

Posted by John MacHaffie at 4:44 PM

That's right, we've killed and eaten 5 million, but there's always room for a snack! Miami vs. Cincinnati at Joe Robbie, er, Sun Life Stadium has a seating capacity of 75,000 tasty fans. Let the games begin!
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Is it just me, or are the words "false flag" becoming the new paranoiac's code words for "I don't have a shred of proof that the Bad Guys are doing what I say they are doing, so I'll just come up with a convenient phrase to explain the lack of proof"?
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False flag! False flag!!! False flag!!!!! They know something is going to happen in the next two weeks! And someone blabbed about all our other conspiracies too!

Monday, October 28, 2013
URGENT to ALL!!! WARNING VERY SCARY! Wow!

Date: 10/28/13 07:51:

I FORGOT TO MENTION 9/11 WHICH IS HIGHLY CONTRIVED - EVERY BIT OF IT.

THEN YOU HAVE THE BOSTON BOMBING - WHERE THEY WERE CAUGHT RED HANDED.

SANDY HOOK - THE SAME ACTORS APPEARED IN BOSTON.

THE OK CITY FED BUILDING BOMBING - THE SEISMOGRAPHS RECORDED SIX EXPLOSIONS. AND TIMOTHY McVEIGH'S FERTILIZER COULD NOT HAVE DONE THAT MUCH DAMAGE.

THEN YOU HAVE THIS: LITHIUM SPRAYED ON THE PEOPLE

CONVENIENTLY THE POLITICAL DUDES WERE GONE FROM D.C. FOR TWO DAYS.

OF COURSE, BOTH WWI AND WWII WERE CONTRIVED. DITTO KOREA AND VIETNAM.

I'M AFRAID THAT MY SKEPTICISM FINDS ANYTHING THAT WESTERN GOV'T DO TO BE NEFARIOUS AT BEST, TO DOWN RIGHT HEINOUS - IN FACT, THAT IS ONE OF THEIR TENANTS I.E. THAT SOME OPERATIONS ARE SO HEINOUS THAT THE PEOPLE WILL NEVER BELIEVE THAT THEY DID IT.

FOR EXAMPLE: THE TITANIC WAS SUNK TO KILL ONE MAN - JOHN JACOB ASTOR - WHO WAS BLOCKING THE PASSAGE OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE ACT. THERE AGAIN, I HAVE SOLID PROOF THAT THEY DID EXACTLY THAT - INCLUDING AFFECTING THE DESIGN TO BE A SINGLE HULL, WHEN DOUBLE HULL AS STANDARD AT THE TIME.

OF COURSE, THE TWIN TOWERS WERE DESTROYED TO START A B.S. WAR. AND BUILDING 7 WAS TAKEN DOWN TO COVER UP A LOT OF THEIR TRACKS.

THE AMAZING THING - THEY OFFed THE 22 SEALS THAT DID THE BIN LADEN EXECUTION IN PAKISTAN - THE SEALS AND NAVY KNOW THIS.

IT GOES ON AND ON AND ON

ITS BEEN GOING ON FOR 1000s OF YEARS

IT VERY WELL COULD BE THAT OBAMA IS WORKING TO EXPOSE THE SATANIC ALIEN CABAL, HE IS CERTAINLY DOING A GOOD JOB OF THAT.

BUT, AT SOME POINT THE SHEEPLE HAVE TO WAKE UP - THEY CAN SAVE THE WORLD AND THEMSELVES JUST BY EMBRACING GOD'S LOVE FOR ALL THINGS. AND DOING SUCH THEMSELVES.

Wow! And, after some typewritten drooling, it gets even better!

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YEAH, I'LL RAISE MY SKEPTICISM ONLY A TINY BIT TO FIND A RACE OF ALIENS THAT ARE CONTROLLING OUR WORLD AND USING THE SATANIC IDIOTS TO IMPLEMENT THEIR NEFARIOUS PLANS

MEANWHILE THE HUMAN IDIOTS CAN SAVE THEMSELVES WITH LOVE AND NEED TO BE SMACKED IN THE HEAD WITH A F@CKING FRYING PAN TO WAKE UP

GOD WILLING THEY ACTUALLY DO COLLAPSE THE FINANCIAL SYSTEM. MAYBE THAT WILL WAKE UP THE POPULACE.

AND, OF COURSE, ANY FINANCIAL SYSTEM PROBLEM IS COMPLETELY CONTRIVED - JUST LOOK AT BURIEN'S CAFR REPORTS - OUR SATANIC GOV'T ACCOUNTANTS HAVE SKIMMED $60 F@CKING TRILLION OF OUR TAX MONEY AND JUST HIDDEN IT AWAY. THIS YOU SHOULD KNOW COLD. IF NOT, THEN AVAIL YOURSELF TO BURIEN'S CAFR INFO.

ALONG WITH ALL OF THE ABOVE - THEY ARE THUMBING THEIR NOSES AT THE U.S. MILITARY, VETERAN BENEFITS ARE CURTAILED, THE NAVY AND THE SEALS HAVE BEEN TARGETED A NUMBER OF TIMES BY MIND CONTROLLED ASSETS, 40 SOME GENERALS HAVE BEEN RECENTLY FIRED BY O's HENCHMEN.

THEN - WE HAVE THE MIND CONTROLLING SYSTEMS, WHICH ARE EXTENSIVE AND SUBLIME IN THE WAY THEY WORK.

MAYBE YOU SHOULD WAKE UP.

SOMETHING BIG IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS - THAT'S FOR SURE.
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MAYBE THIS IS WHY THE RV OF THE DINAR HAS NOT HAPPENED.

AND I FEEL LIKE THAT WHEN THEY TRY TO INSTITUTE MARSHALL LAW, THAT THE MILITARY WILL TURN ON THEM - IT HAS TO BE.

OR MAYBE THEY DO NOT PROCEED WITH THESE PLANS

WE SHALL SEE

SAI BABA'S TEMPLE HAS SAID THAT SOMETHING BIG WILL BE HAPPENING IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS

HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE A GOOD RESULT - WE KNOW THAT THERE IS AT LEAST 60T IN THE U.S., THAT THE SATANIC ACCOUNTANTS FOR THE GOV'T HAVE SIPHONED OUT OF TAX REVENUE, CONVERTED IT TO PAPER CREDITS THAT ARE ON DEPOSIT IN THE BIG BANKS, PRIMARILY JPM/CHASE. LOOK UP BURIEN'S CAFR REPORTS.

Posted by John MacHaffie at 9:08 AM

You might ignore cafr reports, but you can't cover your ears when Sai Baba's Temple talks!

But back to False Flags!!!!!!! One of the comments...


Anonymous October 28, 2013 at 2:13 PM

I don't know about all these false flags but it would appear that there is a plan of some kind.

The scariest of all this is to understand who the illuminati really are and this video link here guaranteed will give you a real chill. Granted that the information conveyed is really out there, but you will really get the picture if you are open minded and finally understand the "psychos" that they really are.

http://www.ascensionwithearth.com/2013/ ... ilian.html
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Which collections of loons was this latest missive from? Getting really hard to tell the crazies apart these days.
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The problem with that site is one that I have been complaining about to the suits upstairs for a long time: someone has leaked the Illuminati game plan. It is pretty evident that this is happened because so much of their information is correct and on target in terms of what I see crossing my desk every day here in Conspiracy Central (if only they could be so accurate about something that would really matter, like the Dinar RV). People want to complain about Snowden leaking NSA stuff? That's tame compared to what I am seeing on this web site.

Example? A video labeled "Illuminati Slave Talks About Reptilian E.T. also known as Vril ." How much more evidence do you need? Someone needs to track this slave down and eliminate him for spilling his guts. Where does a slave get the idea that he or she can just start blabbing about what they are hearing being discussed by their betters? And why isn't the overseer of this slave keeping a close eye on his slaves? I lay all of this at the feet of some of the more liberal members of the Illuminati, like Deep Knight, with their "Kinder, Gentler Satanist Accounting Practices" movement a few years back. With that kind of twaddle being in effect, we might as well as given the planet back to the inhabitants.
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notorial dissent wrote:Which collections of loons was this latest missive from? Getting really hard to tell the crazies apart these days.
It doesn't say who wrote it, but MacHaffie posted it. In part of the redacted text it shows a comment made by Mike Emery and a response, and I kinda remember him from some Chemtrails stuff.

A quick update for all of you anticipating the false flag at Thursday Night Football. I can't tell you when the fun will start, I just can't, but you might want to limit the length of your bathroom break at halftime, wink wink. I can tell you that it will be spectacular, recent zombie movies have upped what people expect in terms of blood and gore, and our agents have risen to the challenge with a false flag that will have people talking at the water cooler the next morning, believe you me!
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Deep Knight wrote:
notorial dissent wrote:Which collections of loons was this latest missive from? Getting really hard to tell the crazies apart these days.
It doesn't say who wrote it, but MacHaffie posted it. In part of the redacted text it shows a comment made by Mike Emery and a response, and I kinda remember him from some Chemtrails stuff.

A quick update for all of you anticipating the false flag at Thursday Night Football. I can't tell you when the fun will start, I just can't, but you might want to limit the length of your bathroom break at halftime, wink wink. I can tell you that it will be spectacular, recent zombie movies have upped what people expect in terms of blood and gore, and our agents have risen to the challenge with a false flag that will have people talking at the water cooler the next morning, believe you me!
DK, don't you mean talking to the water cooler?
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rogfulton wrote:DK, don't you mean talking to the water cooler?
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I don't get it. What's the big deal about predicting a false flag at a football game? I mean, look at the instant replays -- there are usually at least two blatantly bad holding calls during any given game. And don't even get me started about "defenseless receivers."
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FOR EXAMPLE: THE TITANIC WAS SUNK TO KILL ONE MAN - JOHN JACOB ASTOR - WHO WAS BLOCKING THE PASSAGE OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE ACT. THERE AGAIN, I HAVE SOLID PROOF THAT THEY DID EXACTLY THAT - INCLUDING AFFECTING THE DESIGN TO BE A SINGLE HULL, WHEN DOUBLE HULL AS STANDARD AT THE TIME.
Someone is off his meds. J.J. Astor, altho a hero of the Spanish-American War, had no govt position in his later years. He was, if credited with any specific occupation, a hotelier, definitely not a banker. He was on the Titanic, in April 1912 - more than a year before the Federal Reserve Act was passed - but only by a last minute decision made because of his wife's pregnancy; they came from France to join the boat after it left its original British port. The engineering decisions about the Titanic were mostly made years earlier.
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I think our boy, whoever he is, has inhaled one too many of those chemtrails. And of course, since McHalfwit printed it, it has to be true!!!!! :snicker:
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fortinbras wrote:
FOR EXAMPLE: THE TITANIC WAS SUNK TO KILL ONE MAN - JOHN JACOB ASTOR - WHO WAS BLOCKING THE PASSAGE OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE ACT. THERE AGAIN, I HAVE SOLID PROOF THAT THEY DID EXACTLY THAT - INCLUDING AFFECTING THE DESIGN TO BE A SINGLE HULL, WHEN DOUBLE HULL AS STANDARD AT THE TIME.
Someone is off his meds. J.J. Astor, altho a hero of the Spanish-American War, had no govt position in his later years. He was, if credited with any specific occupation, a hotelier, definitely not a banker. He was on the Titanic, in April 1912 - more than a year before the Federal Reserve Act was passed - but only by a last minute decision made because of his wife's pregnancy; they came from France to join the boat after it left its original British port. The engineering decisions about the Titanic were mostly made years earlier.
There you go again, confusing the idjits with facts.... :naughty: :naughty: :naughty:
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