Jim Norman-- any update?

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Jim Norman-- any update?

Postby Dr. Caligari » Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:23 pm

Anything new on this sleazoid?
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ElfNinosMom

Postby ElfNinosMom » Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:10 pm

To be honest, I haven't checked up on him in a while, nor have I heard from any of the people involved in (or taken in by) his scam.

The last time I looked at his forum, it appeared that Marcel was still a True Believer. There's still shockingly little on that forum, though, and most of it just sounds like New Age crap.

Green Lantern

Postby Green Lantern » Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:17 pm

They seem to have closed ranks and drawn into themsleves. It makes me wonder whether or not a new scam was hatched to either recover their initial contribution, someone "bought" Jim's "account" and is milking the recovery efort, or they've been promised a return of capital if they'll all keep their mouths shut.

Either that or the whole nasty lot of them hitched a ride on that last passing comet! 8)
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CK

Postby CK » Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:42 am

It would be nice to know what is happening on the JN front. Amazing how everyone has disappeared into thin air. Could he be in Jail?

ElfNinosMom

Postby ElfNinosMom » Thu May 17, 2007 12:59 am

Jim has wonderful news for one and all, as of last week. Yep, he's still blathering forth about his nonexistent $178,000,000 portfolio. The following is the latest (with telephone numbers, email addresses, and extreme profanity edited by me):

----- Original Message -----
From: administration@jimnorman.com
To: Jim Norman
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 5:32 PM
Subject: new placement of THE PORTFOLIO

To one and all,

Those of you that are privy to the behind the scene actions taking place at taking over the portfolio of $178 million, and those of you that also thought that there was no portfolio. I have wonderful news for you.

“A Charles Foe, with a Florida based Company, TAPON INC. demands that WBG “Calculate all the fees to the World Bank, in preference of our company to have the file back". HAVE THE FILE BACK??? It wasn’t his or his company's in the first place, regardless he has used legalese to claim the because he raised funds fir the company that HE IS the company, (does this ring a bell folks!).

Calculating all the fees paid into the system and machinations of placing a portfolio worth million in Europe, even before any of the so called “team” was involved”, and his Company will pay back all these funds within 48hours, and expects to then have the file of $178mill. His Company has done so, and will do so on May 5th 2007.

For those that said there was no portfolio? Well your Charles Foes has already sent in $10 million towards the refund to the portfolio executors, then for the account manager to deduct what has been paid and return the rest, if any.

This attack is presented with the same clout that the Facilitator used, (ring a bell?) the one that submitted his passport, soon to be shared as evidence, in that attempt to divert these funds, an attempt that cost the portfolio executors and yourselves hundred of thousand to defend in the Hague. It is deduced that this inside job, and details used about the portfolio to implement this attack, knowledge that only you people have, is the latest “hostile takeover”. It has a heavy handed content, one wherein there is claim to owning the portfolio, having raised money for the said portfolio. Whatever legal representation these people are using, it is when the funds are CLEAR (TODAY), that they know when to attack, to DIVERT. It is not like these funds are in a mattress, and like was shared a few updates back, the progress of the portfolio company has even be in a publication.

TAPON INC. uses Sun Trust Bank (Florida).

Funds have been spent and raised from faithful members of the so called Team, funds over the years simply to defend the portfolio. Well it is time to move on, for as some of you know, this portfolio was just the tip of the iceberg to an overall business. (Notice the blank. “------- ” http://www.jimnorman.com/espavo/assets.html

We hope to provide you with all the details of the parties and or party that has been pitched on an investment wherein one can spent $10mill and get $178 million as their return, the very spread you people talked about as too good to be true. Since the offer to you folk was done with altruism, we hope you can extract your huge spreads of returns from TAPON INC, or even see if your principle is due in the same light.

This company had warned you folks over the years that it did not have to wait around for this individual portfolio to close, but the bed or greed, rage, deceit and overt racism that was made by you folks is now left unmade, for you to climb back into again, and see of your “dream returns” will be met.

There will be an appropriate time that the above mentioned details and more, will be published, and possibly in PDF form from the company Net Presence for your use to reclaim what you have lost, from not only the above mentioned parties, but also from those of you that fueled a hate and deceit, lies and misinformation that fed the above scenario based on greed. ( *Kassie and Christian Guibert, **Jeanne Bowen, ***Karl Meyers, ****Karmela Kydd, *****Dragen Bozanic.)

All the best to one and all, “I have wonderful news for you.” yes, as you attempt to fulfill your dreams from the new placement of THE PORTFOLIO.

Espavo Representative.

(There are those on this mail list that know who to pass this info on to, and also those that know that they can make direct contact with the Foundations Executors as they have been doing all along. There are those that came in at the tail end of the above scenario, and should make direct contact with the Foundations Executors.)
__________________________________________________________

Do not let the broken English belie or dilute the content.

-----Original Message-----
From: bolta (obfuscated)
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 09:01
To: jim@jimnorman.com
Subject: Capital issue

Sir,

The suntrust bank Us has already wired yesterday nite $10m against charges paid so far in the interest of $179m and $2.7m .

Therefore, File of the entire funds tomorrow will be dhl to the bank adress given to my bank,And W.B.G general trust account has been authorised via their bank branch in europe to credit our account immediately.

Hence we cannot find or get $85,000 Tomorrow it shall be letting out,once again we have tried beyond and hope this is not end of live to the hse.

Fred

Do not let the broken English belie or dilute the content.



-----Original Message-----
From: bolta (obfuscated)
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 06:52
To: jim@jimnorman.com
Subject: Update

Sir,

Thanks for the effort you and Will made today making sure that US got the Ten thousand dollars requested,Be informed, i will pay for the account service charge tomorrow $34,600 for the $179m.

Therefore,Amsterdam court has based there injuction of default of there last year obligation remitted and withholding $56k,$39k as a legal trap with swiss/US law weekly report,I have made my consultation today both US/SWISS legal offices,Their advice, The beneficiary should make the obligation $25k that is 50% breakage of the fee $50k,It will stand the legal trap sent for both counties to approve for aligation against the $2.7m

Thanks,

Fred

___________________________________________________________


* THE GUIBERTS.

Started the rumor that the Company accountant did not exist, was not real and if he were then that he was a fraud. Then currently, because a talk show host did an expose on Nigerian Scams, she and her husband perpetuated the myth STARTED by Karl Meyers, that I was a Nigerian. They are also suspect of buying a Mercedes Benz under suspicions funding, and what with her aside to the company president, with a “You and me” subterfuge, are very shady. And made threats.

From: Kass
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 05:15
To: jim@jimnorman.com
Subject: Oprah Winfrey

Right now, Oprah is airing scams such as YOUR'S!

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Norman

To: 'Christian Guibert'

Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 7:59 AM

Subject: RE: go in the corner,. you little scammer

Watch your corner

________________________________________________________________

** JEANNE BOWEN.

Misappropriation of funds still not refunded and costly to repair, expectation of personal gain. (Attached). Has never returned the mail list to the executors of the Foundation , and seemingly to hide that funds raised in the Foundations name were not sent to the Foundation but were used with investments of which she and the Guibert’s are involved, with a Benz possibly thrown into the mix?

From: Jim McCosh
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 12:23
To: jim@jimnorman.com
Subject: Concerns

I hope this is good because she ( Jeanne Bowen) has really been stringing me along and she is putting me behind the eight ball big time !

Jim McCosh

(xxx) xxx-xxxx

PS: Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

__________________________________________________________________

*** KARL MEYERS

This man was dating a Nigerian woman on the net, found out he was being scammed for “love” money by a man, and started the hate mail that the founder of the portfolio and Foundation was Nigerian, a guitar player, and lived in Bali of which the founder is not.

From: Karl [mailto:karl_meyers@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 08:14
To: jim@jimnorman.com
Subject: Thief

He you f***ing thief, still stealing from people? There are a lot of people after you boy. Better watch you back because there are hundreds of pissed off people and you will not get away with f***ing stealing from anyone else pretty soon because you will be in PRISON.

You will go straight to hell after you die from aids in prison you son of a bitch.
F*** you.

________________________________________________________________________

**** KARM KYDD

Was the one sending out “SCAM UPDATES”, and owner of “worlds greatestscammer” email address, along and net postings and bogus emails using IP address that the Facilitators at the time paid to find out WERE ALL HERS.


It's now May 16, 2007. What's the status with the alleged portfolio? Anybody want to bet that something else came up, and Jim needs money to pay interest, or fees, or something else? Maybe Fred Bolta's dog ate the fees before he could pay them? :lol:

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Postby notorial dissent » Thu May 17, 2007 6:08 am

That doesn't even make it as mediocre fiction, and people still buy into this drivel??????

Green Lantern

Postby Green Lantern » Thu May 17, 2007 7:00 am

ElfNinosMom wrote:Jim has wonderful news for one and all, as of last week. Yep, he's still blathering forth about his nonexistent $178,000,000 portfolio.


It's difficult to understand what his news is after all of that-----he thinks someone from Florida is stealing his portfolio by paying past dues fees?

What a businessman!

ElfNinosMom

Postby ElfNinosMom » Thu May 17, 2007 5:07 pm

I got the impression that he thinks a company from Florida is trying to steal his nonexistent portfolio, and that he and Fred Bolta are trying to stop them. Either that, or he's trying to raise more money, for the same kind of crap scam as Dove from NESARA. He has that same stuff on his website, almost word for word.

Who knows, though. It's very difficult to understand what he's trying to say.

ElfNinosMom

Postby ElfNinosMom » Thu May 17, 2007 5:18 pm

It looks like he's trying to get more money out of the "investors" - here's the latest.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Norman [mailto:thrumrecords@on.aibn.com] On Behalf Of administration@jimnorman.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:07 PM
To: Jim Norman
Subject: UPDATE
Importance: High

Because of the action of, UNQUOTE “Lastly, The beneficiary of the remitted $10m with suntrust bank is from Australia and he lives in the states ,and his company is registered in belize, citizen of the state, And maintain account with sun-trust bank US, company is (Tapon) Thanks, (FROM ESPAVOS ACCOUNT MANAGER).

This attempt at taking the portfolio has a bill of $15k and $85k.

In paying the $15k within a VERY short deadline ($13k by staff in Europe and the paltry balance of $2k by the Foundation proper, ALL WITHIN THE LAST FEW DAYS), has resulted in the confiscation of the PERPETRATORS FUNDS.N This must be quite a blow to those in the Team that are working with the “Facilitator/broker”. That he must have brokered a deal wherein the above NEW BENIFICIARY OF THE ESPAVO PORTFOLIO was to put in $10mill, minus $1.9 mill returned to the Foundations expenses, with the balance returned to him ] and get $179mill], with some of you in full knowledge of this, is obvious. The NEW party was either ignorant to the machination of the Foundations funds and was blindsided, because he has LOST HIS 10 MILLION, or was privy to the details but went ahead anyway. REGARDLESS, he has lost his funds.

Those that remember, the Facilitator that had set up the initial attempt was fined on October 4th 2005. the sum of $2 million for his attempt at that time, leaving the Foundation in debt to the sum of $350k times 6, and some of you wonder why years have gone by at attempting to PAY FOR THIS. This after he even sent in his passport to prove his POSITION as OWNER OF THE PROFILE! A costly scenario and not to mention the exacerbation of the problem in misappropriation and theft of working capital by the Facilitators that followed. The current attempt using this second FRONT PERSON, (the previous one was from Argentina, now Australia), to abscond with the funds, has been partially blocked.

Partially:

My staff in Europe have $35k committed to the $85k and the Foundation is working at getting $50k to make the total of $85, the sum that the ABOVE perpetrators actions cost. This is why it is stated “PARTIALLY” blocked, there are consequences if the Foundation cannot pay the $50k in a timely manner.

This is where business stands.B

Espavo Representative.'


So it appears he's back to his old stories, that other people trying to steal his nonexistent portfolio have cost him hundreds of thousands of dollars, and he needs to raise funds so the investors will not lose their money. BUT, he's such an international money genius that he managed to take the infidel's $10 mil instead. :lol:

As a reminder and to update those who may not have followed this before, Jim claimed that one of his old facilitators was fined $2 million by the US Department of the Treasury, for allegedly trying to steal Jim's nonexistent portfolio, which of course is ludicrous. The document "proving" this was an obvious forgery. This is what he's referencing when he talks about someone being fined $2 million.

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Postby texino » Fri May 18, 2007 5:31 am

Oh boy! Jim Norman. I wonder what the Canadian credit union to whom he is in default for a measly 500k has to say?
I think it's time to go to the Jim Forum an see if he has opened the Phones. Also need to check with the mysterious Bob Forbes who owns most of the domain names with Espavo Bank cited*

*People may remember when last we heard from his "good self"
(as opposed to bad self?) he was off to pay his taxes, take a vacation and then open his very own Swiss Bank.

OK? Fine.
Texino (not the kindly old doctor, the bad one who's hooked up with the voodoo)

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Postby texino » Fri May 18, 2007 5:43 am

Hey gang! Want to see some real dirty pictures?
http://jimnorman.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=105

I have no idea who posted. Definitely not me, as I am not that crude. This is real porn and possibly a bot did it. You don't have to see the pictures to know what sort of stuff the links lead to.

Be interested if he sweeps the site or goes bug house on someone.

Keep Looking up!

TT

ElfNinosMom

Postby ElfNinosMom » Fri May 18, 2007 7:35 pm

texino wrote:Hey gang! Want to see some real dirty pictures?
http://jimnorman.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=105

I have no idea who posted. Definitely not me, as I am not that crude. This is real porn and possibly a bot did it. You don't have to see the pictures to know what sort of stuff the links lead to.

Be interested if he sweeps the site or goes bug house on someone.

Keep Looking up!

TT


Hiya, Texino - how you doing, my dear friend? :D

The link says the topic or post doesn't exist. I can only imagine what was there, though. If it was a bot, that's an awfully big coincidence given that he's started sending out his missives again after a long period of silence. I'd guess it was done by somebody he ripped off.

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Postby Green Lantern » Fri May 18, 2007 11:02 pm

In paying the $15k within a VERY short deadline ($13k by staff in Europe and the paltry balance of $2k by the Foundation proper, ALL WITHIN THE LAST FEW DAYS), has resulted in the confiscation of the PERPETRATORS FUNDS.N This must be quite a blow to those in the Team that are working with the “Facilitator/broker”. That he must have brokered a deal wherein the above NEW BENIFICIARY OF THE ESPAVO PORTFOLIO was to put in $10mill, minus $1.9 mill returned to the Foundations expenses, with the balance returned to him ] and get $179mill], with some of you in full knowledge of this, is obvious. The NEW party was either ignorant to the machination of the Foundations funds and was blindsided, because he has LOST HIS 10 MILLION, or was privy to the details but went ahead anyway. REGARDLESS, he has lost his funds.

Those that remember, the Facilitator that had set up the initial attempt was fined on October 4th 2005. the sum of $2 million for his attempt at that time, leaving the Foundation in debt to the sum of $350k times 6, and some of you wonder why years have gone by at attempting to PAY FOR THIS. This after he even sent in his passport to prove his POSITION as OWNER OF THE PROFILE! A costly scenario and not to mention the exacerbation of the problem in misappropriation and theft of working capital by the Facilitators that followed. The current attempt using this second FRONT PERSON, (the previous one was from Argentina, now Australia), to abscond with the funds, has been partially blocked.


Jimbo needs to hire a new team of writers------this is the most convoluted quadruped excrement he has come with to date. Espavo accounts at the World Bank (which deals only with countries), non-existent "portfolios" (any porfolio in a storm!), Florida "businesmen" trying to steal his portfolio by paying huge fees, the "Team" laboring tirelessly in the background to achieve what?

This is too funny, too sad, too crazy----I hope his "investors" have taken steps tp protect themselves or at least punish the Evil-doers.

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Postby texino » Sat May 19, 2007 12:01 am

Props to ENM, Love you mean it!

I agree with GL. I mean is Jim operating under the same basic laws as the rest of humanity?

Hard to say, but I sure would like to see some resolution to this thing.

ElfNinosMom

Postby ElfNinosMom » Sat May 19, 2007 1:36 am

According to the Florida Secretary of State, there is not now and has never been a Florida corporation called "Tapon, Inc". Likewise, there is no fictitious name, partnership, limited liability corporation or limited liability partnership called Tapon.

There is also no one registered under any Florida fictitious name, partnership, limited liability corporation, limited liability partnership, or corporation named "Charles Foe".

There used to be a corporation called "Tapon International, Inc.", but it has been inactive since 2005, and there was never anyone named Foe associated as an officer or registered agent with that corporation. The names associated with that defunct corporation are not even remotely close to "Charles Foe".

I guess it makes sense in Jim's bizarroworld that a nonexistent corporation run by a nonexistent person would try to steal his nonexistent portfolio. :roll: :lol:

Green Lantern

Postby Green Lantern » Sat May 19, 2007 6:20 am

ElfNinosMom wrote:I guess it makes sense in Jim's bizarroworld that a nonexistent corporation run by a nonexistent person would try to steal his nonexistent portfolio. :roll: :lol:


As I was walking up the stair
I invested in a portfolio that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The Team and Foe took it clean away! :roll:

ElfNinosMom

Postby ElfNinosMom » Mon May 21, 2007 6:42 pm

I wasn't going to say anything but, what the hell ...... does it strike anyone as strange/funny/bizarre that Jimbo's newest foe is allegedly actually named Foe?

ElfNinosMom

Postby ElfNinosMom » Mon May 28, 2007 3:00 pm

Apparently Jimbo has been corresponding with one Zubita Abogados, who has an email address with the suffix @lawyer.com (and I'm sure Jimbo thinks that means that Zubita is a lawyer, LOL). Zubita, not surprisingly, appears to be a 419 scammer to whom Jim has previously given $5000, and who is asking Jim for more funds. Also note Jim's new email address, reflecting the "banqueduespavo".

Kassie is apparently still away from Jim's camp, but she still is not taking responsibility for her own actions, instead making excuses for her previous behavior by blaming it on Jim's lies.

Personal information from assumably innocent people redacted by me as usual.

While reading this, bear in mind that most of it was written mostly in red, black, and blue crayon-type font, of various sizes. I'd reproduce it here as it was received, but I'm being forced to type with one hand and in no small amount of pain, so it's difficult at best for me to do so.


----- Original Message -----
From: Kass
To: 'Jim Norman' ; txxxxxxxxxn@yahoo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 5:45 PM
Subject: FW: HISTORY 1

Well, Jim, looks like you are still fishing for funds and defending your scam, and no one will believe you anymore.
Fancy that!
You are a known SCAMMER now and have no other recourse but to pull up old emails for
your defense.
Well, we can do that too.
You write below: "I NEVER brokered your money."
Gotcha: You acknowledged you got Terry's money. Doesn't matter what terms
you use, you scammed everyone and the money is gone! The info you claim you got
from Geneva? Geneva has denied any of the documents or correspondence sent to
you and documented them as such, as well as turned them over to the appropriate authorities
there. *See attached.* They are referring to ALL documents You, Jim, have shown
as "proof" of your "supposed" funds and importance.


Noted by the authorities.
Thanks again for this one, will pass on to all the authorities, and to others.
And in reference to my email of 2 years ago? John knows that I now know that you are
a scammer! He also knows I had no right to talk to him in that way. I also
know why John felt that way. Anyone that differs from you, Jim, gets trashed and screamed at.

Soooooooooooo, now what? Dig up more old useless emails to defend your scamming?
You must be smokin something again, or are bored, that you need to play with people's
lives like this!
You still can't admit it! You have been scammed and are a scammer yourself!
Little by little, people will know this. The authorities are very busy!

Terry and all,
He denies to you below that his intention was to broker money? FALSE!
Notice this email and in black he plainly speaks about his brokering intentions.
He tells you he didn't broker your money. I noticed in your email you didn't say he did.
Terry, You said: (below this morning)

"that the funds of 158M were to be placed in trade, after they were released...hence the return on the funds that were sent."
Other info in the following email from and to zubita should be interesting reading also.
It is time the rest of "behind the scenes emails Jim Norman sent" is seen.
Gotcha Jim!!!!


From: zubita abogados [mailto:zubita@l****r.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 1:47 PM
To: banqueduespavo@jimnorman.com
Subject: Re: BUSINESS COMPARISON JIM NORMAN

Jim,I clearly understood what you mean: What you are saying is that your Geneva business is much more important than the 58 mil. But let me draw your attention..if the money for the renewal of the cheque is not received from now till Thusday consider it cancelled. The 1900 €uros deposited is for an undertaking that the balance will be made available.But as I undertstand your Geneva business is much more important to you now .Therefore, if the deadline of thusday is not met consider the business closed and be assured that I will not bother you anymore.

I do wish you Goodluck with your Geneva business and hope you will not live to regret this.

Zubita.


----- Original Message -----
From: banqueduespavo@jimnorman.com
To: "' zubita abogados '"
Subject: BUSINESS COMPARISON JIM NORMAN
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:28:14 -0500

Zubita you made the choice to start YOUR transaction without TRULY consulting with me, “Whatever business you are doing now cannot be compared to this.” …if you consult with my attorneys here, you will see that the schedule that you imposed on me and then making your statement here is in TOTAL IGNORANCE of my other business.

I Jim Norman am telling you this….17 mill 12 mill and 68 mill PLUS interest, totaling over 168 million, as stated by the TREASURY DEPARTMENT OF THE UNITED STATES IN MY DEFENCE OF AN EX EMPLOYEE ATTEMPTING TO CLAIM BENIFICIARY STATUS, AFFECTIING OVER 300 PEOPLE THAT HAVE WORKED WITH ME FOR FOUR YEARS TO GET MY MONEY INTO THIS POWERFUL BANKING SYSTEM IN GENEVA, AND 220 MILLION FOR THEIR RETURN, AND HOLDING UP BROKERS FOR THE PAST YEAR FROM MAKING ME OVER 135% DAILY ON JUST 100 MILLION OF THIS MONEY, (THAT IS, I CAN MAKE OVER 100 MILL DAILEY understand?).WITH GENEVA ON STANDBY WAITING NOT ONLY FOR MYSELF MYACCOUNTATN AND WILL MY ATTORNY TO GO TO GENEVA TO RECEIVE AN AWARD FOR MY COMPANY IN THE FORM OF A PLAQUE, BUT ALSO THAT I AM TO BE GIVEN A “BANKING LISCENCE” SO THAT I WILL BECOME “BANQUE DU ESPAVO” THAT THEN FEEDS “THE ESPAVO FOUNDATION”, THAT THEN FEED “THRUM RECORDS”.

You going ahead without honoring MY schedule IN YOUR FULL KNOWLEDGE THAT I HAVE TO RAISE MONEY FOR MY DEFENCE WITH GUILLERMO AND THE CAJA MADRID 500K SCANDAL, MY DEFENCE IN THE UNITED STATES, AND THEN YOU ADDING ALL THE EXPENSESS FOR SALUSUS FUNDS, IS UNREALISITC TO SAY THE LEASTM,YET I HAVE SENT MONEY TO COVER ALL THREE AREAS. BUT YOU CANNOT AT THIS JUNCTURE TELL ME THAT YOURS IS MORE IMPORTANT.

SALUSE WAS EWAITING FOR ME TO FINISH GENEVA FIRST, AND TRIED TO HELP WITH THOSE EXPENSES BY SELLING THE DIAOMNS AND SENDING 500k TO ASSIST, THEN YOU WENT AND STARTED ANOTHER BUSINESS WITH HER 58 MILLION ON YOUR OWN TIME SHCEDULE AND HAVE HAD ME PAY HUGE FEEDS AS YOU ATTMEPT TO CLEAR THIS MONEY….AND YOU SAY WHAT MY OTHER BUSINESS IS CANNOT COMPARE?????

Well you are right, it CANNOT compare to the ATTEMPTED theft of 168 millions, nor my dealings with the US government, nor to the 1.9 million debt in defense with deadlines that I get as close to ONE HOUR FROM LOOSING EVERYTHING because I’ve sent the money to you and then you get blocked AGAIN.

IF my team here can raise 150k for Guillermo and my defense this week, he has been instructed to take 20k USD to apply to your business. BUT BE AWARE THAT HIS BUSINESS IS ALSO MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOUR TRANSACTION BECAUSE MY FREEDOM IS MORE IMPRTANT THAN YOUR MONEY. ALSO, BY THE TIME I HAVE GENEVA CLEAR I CANNOT HAVE ALL THE INJUNCTIONS STILL HANGING OVER MY HEAD BECAUSE IF THEY ARE THEN MY BROKERS CANNOT PUT ME IN THE PROGRAMS THAT ALLOW ME TO EXPAND MY 168 SUCH THAT I CAN GET TO PAY 220 MILL + TO MY PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN PATIENT FOR THE LST YEAR. YOU BUSINESS DOES NOT COMPARE TO MY DEFENC IN THE CANADIAN LEGAL SYSTEM, IT WAS TO HAVE HELPED WITH MY WORKING CAPITOL AND INSTEAD IT HAS CUASED ME TO DIVERT FUNS FOR FEES AND MORE FEES WHEN I COULD HAVE PAID WHAT IS WAY MORE IMPRTANT NOTONLY IN AMOUNT IN THE SUM OF 168 MILLION. BUT EVEN MORE SO MY FREEDOM FROM CAJA MADRID FIASCO.

The 58mill pales in comparison. If I get 150k to Guillermo this week, then he gives you 20k USD ( 5k paid already), THEN HE CAN GET CAJA MADRID TO PAY THE CREDIT UNION 400k AND WE PLACE THE 1 MILL BALANCE SUCH THAT IT CAN BE USED TO FINISH YOUR BUSINESS.

Jim Norman.


THIS WAS EMAILED TODAY! BELOW!

----- Original Message -----

From: jim@jimnorman.com
To: Christian Guibert
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 1:39 PM
Subject: HISTORY 1

Max,

For your perspective.

Jim



From: Jim Norman [mailto:thrumrecords@on.aibn.com] On Behalf Of info@jimnorman.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:47
Subject: HISTORY 1
Importance: High

People have no real idea of what has held up their return for YEARS NOW.

I NEVER brokered your money.


From: Jim Norman [mailto:thrumrecords@on.aibn.com] On Behalf Of jim@jimnorman.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:16
To: 'Terry xxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: Wording
Importance: High

INSANE, and this again is evidence of my point, misrepresentation, I did NOT invest YOUR MONEY or anybodies money and the 158 was not made up of your people’s money, and the SPREAD! Was MY CHOICE not some trade statistic....

And when the *hit started to hit the fan with your good friend John Billingsley check THIS....


(This was sent over 2 years ago, under the influence of a lying Jim Norman.)

-----Original Message-----

From: Kass [mailto:k*********s@comcast.net]

Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:05 PM

To: Carol Billingsley

Subject: from Kassie

Hi John,

Well, I must say, I was very embarrassed at your interruptions and patrionizing "Jim, Jim, calm down......stuff"

What I see that you still don't comprehend, John, is that YOU are receiving commission from HIM, this is HIS business, not YOUR'S!

It doesn't matter how many days, hours, or minutes Jim chooses to raise his voice with you, we are not in a position to react or act disrespectfully, and to imply to me that it is our turn now with him, again, was even more disrespectful.

Where will you ever get the insane return commissions like you will get from Jim?

MLM?

Your bank ventures?

A little humbling on your part seems impossible, and I have tried supporting you through all of this, but you keep resisting.

No amount of Church going will ever benefit you until you have applied what you learn about pride.

Your tests come every time you talk to Jim, and you fail each time.

Find another way to remove this pride, face your fear, and communicate without all the anger you now display.

Perhaps you have not identified your anger yet, or truly been accountable for the "lie" last week, as this would prevent you from having peace of mind, and not react to Jim as you do.

It is none of my business if you ever deal with this, but your attitude does affect my business with others, including Jim.

I am observing the increasing greed from your group in comparison to the return to the investors, and this appalls me.

But you have to live with your conscience, not me.

Just one warning,

1 Corinthians 10:12 "Let him that thinks he is standing beware that he does not fall."

You may be risking all that you have worked for in just this little problem, respect and pride.

With all good intentions,

Kassie



This is Jim's response to Terry today:

AND THEN BOOM! NOT LONG AFTER, I GET INFO FROM GENEVA THAT YOU CALL FAKE???? THEY DIDNT HAVE TO SEND IT TO ME. I WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO SEND IT YOU YOU PEOPLE ( trust factor and was betrayed by you people, FAKE MY ASS), IT WAS THEIR INTERNAL MEMO WITH THE ANIMALS PASSPORT, AND YOU THINK YOU CAN HAVE A TALK WITH HIM TO “FIND OUT!!!!!!”.


From: Terry xxxxxxxx [mailto:t*********n@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:05
To: Jim Norman
Subject: Re: Wording

well that is how it was stated from the start.

that the funds of 158M were to be placed in trade, after they were released...hence the return on the funds that were sent.

T


Jim Norman <thrumrecords@on.aibn.com> wrote:

Going over ALL the old emails, and this is one example of misrepresentation, what TRADE....this is so wrong to read////

From: Terry xxxxxxxx [mailto:t*********n@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 02:25
To: jim norman
Subject: update on transfer

Hello Jim,

Since I have been on a Mini Vacation this past weekend I was wondering if you would have an update on the transfer and other aspects related to the Trade(spoke with Howard Dike he had no new news).

Please advise,

Terry xxxxxxxx

Well Jim? You got caught again!


From: zubita abogados [mailto:zubita@lawyer.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 1:47 PM
To: banqueduespavo@jimnorman.com
Subject: Re: BUSINESS COMPARISON JIM NORMAN

Jim,

I clearly understood what you mean: What you are saying is that your Geneva business is much more important than the 58 mil. But let me draw your attention..if the money for the renewal of the cheque is not received from now till Thusday consider it cancelled. The 1900 €uros deposited is for an undertaking that the balance will be made available.But as I undertstand your Geneva business is much more important to you now .Therefore, if the deadline of thusday is not met consider the business closed and be assured that I will not bother you anymore.

I do wish you Goodluck with your Geneva business and hope you will not live to regret this.

Zubita.


----- Original Message -----
From: banqueduespavo@jimnorman.com
To: "' zubita abogados '"
Subject: BUSINESS COMPARISON JIM NORMAN
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:28:14 -0500

Zubita you made the choice to start YOUR transaction without TRULY consulting with me, “Whatever business you are doing now cannot be compared to this.” …if you consult with my attorneys here, you will see that the schedule that you imposed on me and then making your statement here is in TOTAL IGNORANCE of my other business.

I Jim Norman am telling you this….17 mill 12 mill and 68 mill PLUS interest, totaling over 168 million, as stated by the TREASURY DEPARTMENT OF THE UNITED STATES IN MY DEFENCE OF AN EX EMPLOYEE ATTEMPTING TO CLAIM BENIFICIARY STATUS, AFFECTIING OVER 300 PEOPLE THAT HAVE WORKED WITH ME FOR FOUR YEARS TO GET MY MONEY INTO THIS POWERFUL BANKING SYSTEM IN GENEVA, AND 220 MILLION FOR THEIR RETURN, AND HOLDING UP BROKERS FOR THE PAST YEAR FROM MAKING ME OVER 135% DAILY ON JUST 100 MILLION OF THIS MONEY, (THAT IS, I CAN MAKE OVER 100 MILL DAILEY understand?).WITH GENEVA ON STANDBY WAITING NOT ONLY FOR MYSELF MYACCOUNTATN AND WILL MY ATTORNY TO GO TO GENEVA TO RECEIVE AN AWARD FOR MY COMPANY IN THE FORM OF A PLAQUE, BUT ALSO THAT I AM TO BE GIVEN A “BANKING LISCENCE” SO THAT I WILL BECOME “BANQUE DU ESPAVO” THAT THEN FEEDS “THE ESPAVO FOUNDATION”, THAT THEN FEED “THRUM RECORDS”.

You going ahead without honoring MY schedule IN YOUR FULL KNOWLEDGE THAT I HAVE TO RAISE MONEY FOR MY DEFENCE WITH GUILLERMO AND THE CAJA MADRID 500K SCANDAL, MY DEFENCE IN THE UNITED STATES, AND THEN YOU ADDING ALL THE EXPENSESS FOR SALUSUS FUNDS, IS UNREALISITC TO SAY THE LEASTM,YET I HAVE SENT MONEY TO COVER ALL THREE AREAS. BUT YOU CANNOT AT THIS JUNCTURE TELL ME THAT YOURS IS MORE IMPORTANT.

SALUSE WAS EWAITING FOR ME TO FINISH GENEVA FIRST, AND TRIED TO HELP WITH THOSE EXPENSES BY SELLING THE DIAOMNS AND SENDING 500k TO ASSIST, THEN YOU WENT AND STARTED ANOTHER BUSINESS WITH HER 58 MILLION ON YOUR OWN TIME SHCEDULE AND HAVE HAD ME PAY HUGE FEEDS AS YOU ATTMEPT TO CLEAR THIS MONEY….AND YOU SAY WHAT MY OTHER BUSINESS IS CANNOT COMPARE?????





Well you are right, it CANNOT compare to the ATTEMPTED theft of 168 millions, nor my dealings with the US government, nor to the 1.9 million debt in defense with deadlines that I get as close to ONE HOUR FROM LOOSING EVERYTHING because I’ve sent the money to you and then you get blocked AGAIN.





IF my team here can raise 150k for Guillermo and my defense this week, he has been instructed to take 20k USD to apply to your business. BUT BE AWARE THAT HIS BUSINESS IS ALSO MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOUR TRANSACTION BECAUSE MY FREEDOM IS MORE IMPRTANT THAN YOUR MONEY. ALSO, BY THE TIME I HAVE GENEVA CLEAR I CANNOT HAVE ALL THE INJUNCTIONS STILL HANGING OVER MY HEAD BECAUSE IF THEY ARE THEN MY BROKERS CANNOT PUT ME IN THE PROGRAMS THAT ALLOW ME TO EXPAND MY 168 SUCH THAT I CAN GET TO PAY 220 MILL + TO MY PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN PATIENT FOR THE LST YEAR. YOU BUSINESS DOES NOT COMPARE TO MY DEFENC IN THE CANADIAN LEGAL SYSTEM, IT WAS TO HAVE HELPED WITH MY WORKING CAPITOL AND INSTEAD IT HAS CUASED ME TO DIVERT FUNS FOR FEES AND MORE FEES WHEN I COULD HAVE PAID WHAT IS WAY MORE IMPRTANT NOTONLY IN AMOUNT IN THE SUM OF 168 MILLION. BUT EVEN MORE SO MY FREEDOM FROM CAJA MADRID FIASCO.



The 58mill pales in comparison. If I get 150k to Guillermo this week, then he gives you 20k USD ( 5k paid already), THEN HE CAN GET CAJA MADRID TO PAY THE CREDIT UNION 400k AND WE PLACE THE 1 MILL BALANCE SUCH THAT IT CAN BE USED TO FINISH YOUR BUSINESS.



Jim Norman.



From: zubita abogados [mailto:zubita@lawyer.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:45 AM
To: jim@jimnorman.com
Subject: Latest Development in 58m.



Hi Jim,

Good Afternoon to you.

Be informed that we are still waiting for the renewal of the cheque. The people at the bank cannot wait much longer than this week. I received a call from the Bank to this effect this morning. This is so because I do not have a rappot with them as in the Hacienda where I could easily find my way.

As you are aware, I have invested all my savings from my little civil servant salaries in this business because this is a very BIG opportunity that I cannot wish away as it is more than a Gold mine. Whatever business you are doing now cannot be compared to this. I, Zubita is telling you so. Even the people at the Hacienda are wondering why the business have not been concluded but you and I know why.

Jim, the telephone call from the Bank this morning is very worrisome and I will implore you to do everything possible within the next 24 hours to send the balance for the renewal of the cheque to avoid serious damage to the business and my very frangile heath. We have come this far and let us conclude the business.

Thank you while I await your quick response.

Zubita.


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The religiosity which rears its head in this scam, used solely in an attempt to keep victims in line and not asking too many questions, is always interesting.

For those who are just catching up, the Treasury Department pdf was an obvious forgery (and Kassie argued with me about that here to no end, with me very politely warning her not to try to pass it off as real); and the "legal dream team" is a photo of some lawyers, which Jim uses whenever he wants to intimidate somebody.

Last I heard, Jim hadn't paid his attorneys, and they had thus moved to withdraw in the Canadian credit union case against him. I'll try to get an update on that situation this week.

I'll also try to re-post the Treasury doc and such as I feel up to it, so the new forum thread will have the documentation and others can see for themselves what I'm referencing.

ElfNinosMom

Postby ElfNinosMom » Mon May 28, 2007 3:11 pm

Here, Jimbo and Kassie are having a pi**ing contest about who is slandering whom, with another investor telling them to leave him out of it. Jim claims he is suing or preparing to sue people in the US, apparently including two of his former "team" members, Kassie and Carm.


----- Original Message -----
From: Kass
To: 'Jim Norman'
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 11:42 AM
Subject: RE: WELL SAID AND YOU ARE IN THE MAJORITY

Duly sent to the authorities.

Give it up Jim, all your attacks on me just makes you look more desperate
and scared, cuz the Majority does not believe you and are
cooperating with the authorities.
You can't even get in touch with the Majority.

Your so called Lawyers? Have them call me, would be happy to talk to them and send
them the info about the man they are supposedly defending.
I am sure the U.S. Treasury, IMF and all...would welcome their input.
Every time you send me an email, and then pass on mine to others, it is:
“malicious intent within slander”
Do you get it?
Every Judge in the U.S. will laugh at your insane obsession to defame
anyone that challenges you, and with what do you do that? Private email!

Do you know the difference between
"Exposing a Scammer by warning via email/ versus deliberate intent to slander?"

Ask your lawyers and tap into internet law!
Huge Intent difference, since the proof is with the authorities
that you are a scammer!

You think you can honestly convince a judge in the U.S. that your "money" was held
up because of some "pretend" attempts to "steal" the "portfolio" that doesn't exist?

Telling everyone that the majority are laughing at me?
You think that upsets me? Think again, Jim.
These are your scare tactics to cover up what a scammer you are.
I document everything you send to me and others, and send to the authorities.
You just make our case easier.
Thank you for the continuing evidence.

What was your last "scam" fine, by the way?
Did you get that info emailed from Paraguay, or Israel?
The Majority of Smart people have woke up, and the few others that you have charmed, will soon.


----- Original Message -----
From: info@jimnorman.com
To: Jim Norman
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 9:21 AM
Subject: WELL SAID AND YOU ARE IN THE MAJORITY

WELL SAID,WELL SAID AND WHAT WE NEED TO HEAR , AS WE ARE, FROM MORE PEOPLE , WELL WELL SAID.....THE WOMAN IS PSYCHO AND NOT VERY BRIGHT TO BOOT, WE’VE ALSO SUSSED OUT ANOTHER FRIEND OF THAT KYDD PERSON, YOU WOULDN’T BELIEVE WHAT WE’VE FOUND OUT. ANYWAY THERE ARE NOW TWO ATTORNEYS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA PREPARING (and two in Canada that are US registered). THE NOOSE TIGHTENS ON THESE TWO IDIOTS AND AS THEY STILL TRY TO INFLAME. (Thank you for the evidence.)

Wait until you see the next up date. And the email yes, your forwarded is more evidence of her actions, incredible stupidity. Quite a few really pity her, we mean really, even in her occult religious terms of forgiveness etc, they just pity these two people. From what we hear, as we NEVER read their filth, is that the way they are trying to put the dots together is a bit dimwitted, but more importantly shows “malicious intent within slander” get it?

But get this, we ALSO found out that they are statistically being laughed at by the majority.

Anyway, WELL said Mr. xxxxxxxx WELL SAID, (and noted)

Espavo


From: Terry xxxxxxxx [mailto:t*********n@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 09:55
To: Kass
Cc: jim norman
Subject: RE: FW: HISTORY 1

morning,

CCed to Jim Norman

please do not include me into ANY other e-mails...fowarded or not. I do not wish to have my address and other wise sent all over gods green earth.

as for norman. The only thing that I know is that I have sent him $5k and he has confirmed that receipt. And that is what I am asking for back...nothing more nothing less...I do not care if the 158M exists, or what involvement that you have or anyone else has...if there is a long term business relationship then great...if not once again do not care...

but to have negative thoughts and bring someone threw the mud is no way to live life....live your life with no regrets. I do not regret sending $5k to Norman...I have blown money on other things as well, and I would be willing to bet that you have as well.

your fight is with norman not me....keep it that way.

Cheers,

Terry

Green Lantern

Postby Green Lantern » Mon May 28, 2007 8:14 pm

ElfNinosMom wrote:Apparently Jimbo has been corresponding with one Zubita Abogados, who has an email address with the suffix @lawyer.com (and I'm sure Jimbo thinks that means that Zubita is a lawyer, LOL). Zubita, not surprisingly, appears to be a 419 scammer to whom Jim has previously given $5000, and who is asking Jim for more funds. Also note Jim's new email address, reflecting the "banqueduespavo".


Interestingly, the word subita (Zubita) means "suddenly" in Spanish. The word abogado or licenciado means "lawyer" in Spanish. So, this person is "suddenly a lawyer" as can only happen on the internet! The subtext with these words and "Foe" are quite interesting---almost as if there is an intentional double entendre going on.

The implosion is less than spectacular so far.


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