Poor Elaine - now the TP movement is saying that Elaine is the real villain in this mess. How ironic that we are hearing TPs basically stating that Elaine should have paid taxes.she is being moved due to me saying on jacks show the other day that it was her that earned the income and didnt pay taxes but it is ed that is being punished
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It was only a matter of time before they cannibalized the weakest in the herd.The Observer wrote:Poor Elaine - now the TP movement is saying that Elaine is the real villain in this mess. How ironic that we are hearing TPs basically stating that Elaine should have paid taxes.she is being moved due to me saying on jacks show the other day that it was her that earned the income and didnt pay taxes but it is ed that is being punished
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Oh for the love of Pete........It was at Ed's urging and persuasion that Elaine believe this was a battle worth pursuing. I can't see her attempting to pull this off of her own volition. He is way guilty - more than she. He is a real piece of work.Keith in RI wrote:
.....there is also a chance she is being moved due to me saying on jacks show the other day that it was her that earned the income and didnt pay taxes but it is ed that is being punished.....
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Elaine is not the only female dentist to get sucked into the nightmare. Nancy Montgomery-Ware was sentenced in December to 33 months in prison. Kind of the same situation, too: Professional woman making good money, divorced, overbearing new husband...lather, rinse, repeat.SheWolffe wrote:Oh for the love of Pete........It was at Ed's urging and persuasion that Elaine believe this was a battle worth pursuing. I can't see her attempting to pull this off of her own volition. He is way guilty - more than she. He is a real piece of work.Keith in RI wrote:
.....there is also a chance she is being moved due to me saying on jacks show the other day that it was her that earned the income and didnt pay taxes but it is ed that is being punished.....
If you search for "dentist" or "chiropractor" in the forum, you'll see that it's been a bit of a running joke about which field produces the most tax protesters. There's a lot for both of them.
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Isn't "airline pilot" up there too? Seems to be a lot of those.
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Sentencing for Brown Supporters:
Bob Wolffe - 30 months
Jason Gerhard - 240 months
Bob Wolffe - 30 months
Jason Gerhard - 240 months
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What a difference it makes when you realize what a mistake you made and decide to cooperate and dump the silly arguments. I know it is bad to have to face 30 months in prison, but 20 years in the slammer has to be hitting Jason pretty hard right now.
Shewollfe, I hope this is of some relief to you.
Shewollfe, I hope this is of some relief to you.
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How true. The sad thing is that it will repeat itself again in the future.webhick wrote:It was only a matter of time before they cannibalized the weakest in the herd.The Observer wrote:Poor Elaine - now the TP movement is saying that Elaine is the real villain in this mess. How ironic that we are hearing TPs basically stating that Elaine should have paid taxes.she is being moved due to me saying on jacks show the other day that it was her that earned the income and didnt pay taxes but it is ed that is being punished
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Wow, the differences are striking. One wised up, the other one tried to play hardball. But 20 years. Whoa, that's got be a sock in the gut like none other. I'm surprised its that stiff and Bob's is so little. However, I do agree them both.Demosthenes wrote:Sentencing for Brown Supporters:
Bob Wolffe - 30 months
Jason Gerhard - 240 months
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This is third party info from two people who attended or listened to the sentencing.
Let me start by saying that Bob Wolffe is an idiot. The prosecutor stood up, praised Bob's participation in the investigation and trial, and asked the judge for a very lenient sentence. Bob then stood up and rather than simply apologizing and shutting up, he tried to downplay his role, which damn near cost him his acceptance of responsibility downward departure and low sentence.
Jason's lawyer asked for 7 years; the prosecution asked for 30. Prison snitch Anthony Dorothy took the stand and said that Danny had told Jason to talk to him since Jason was a big fan of Timothy McVeigh, which Danny thought was cool. Dorothy had known McVeigh when they were both incarcerated in Indiana. Jason then took the stand and ranted his way into a longer prison sentence. He claimed he was prosecuted for a victimless crime and that no one has yet to show him the tax law. Fricken' moron.
I'm sure Scoop's story will have more details.
Let me start by saying that Bob Wolffe is an idiot. The prosecutor stood up, praised Bob's participation in the investigation and trial, and asked the judge for a very lenient sentence. Bob then stood up and rather than simply apologizing and shutting up, he tried to downplay his role, which damn near cost him his acceptance of responsibility downward departure and low sentence.
Jason's lawyer asked for 7 years; the prosecution asked for 30. Prison snitch Anthony Dorothy took the stand and said that Danny had told Jason to talk to him since Jason was a big fan of Timothy McVeigh, which Danny thought was cool. Dorothy had known McVeigh when they were both incarcerated in Indiana. Jason then took the stand and ranted his way into a longer prison sentence. He claimed he was prosecuted for a victimless crime and that no one has yet to show him the tax law. Fricken' moron.
I'm sure Scoop's story will have more details.
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The defendants have been in prison for 10.5 months, so they'll get credit for that time.A number of questions spring to mind.
1. How much time has Bob Wolffe already served?
2. Can Bob earn a reduction of time in prison for good behavior? If so, given #1 above, how soon can Mrs. W reasonably expect Mr. W to be home?
3. Is Jason's 20 years a possible indicator of the sentences Reno and Danny will receive, give or take a smidgen?
4. In light of Jason's sentence, if there are any charges the US government is thinking of retrying him on, how likely is it he will be retried? Or will the Feds be happy with the 20 years and call it a day on Jason?
In federal prison, you have to serve at least 85% of your sentence, which means that the earliest Wolffe can get out is 15 months from now.
Danny has an explosives charge with a 30 year minimum, so he's looking at 40+ years in prison. Reno's prison range is up in the air.
I have no information, but I would imagine the Feds are done with Jason.
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What is the likelihood of DoJ going after E&E (Or at least just Ed) on similar charges?
Since the E&E4 were all convicted of offenses surrounding Ed's plans for a reenactment of Waco, isn't Ed liable to be charged with the same crimes?
If not, there's a serious injustice in that E&E will both be out of prison decades before their followers are.
Since the E&E4 were all convicted of offenses surrounding Ed's plans for a reenactment of Waco, isn't Ed liable to be charged with the same crimes?
If not, there's a serious injustice in that E&E will both be out of prison decades before their followers are.
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I have no information, but I'd say the probability approaches 1.Nikki wrote:What is the likelihood of DoJ going after E&E (Or at least just Ed) on similar charges?
Since the E&E4 were all convicted of offenses surrounding Ed's plans for a reenactment of Waco, isn't Ed liable to be charged with the same crimes?
Agreed.If not, there's a serious injustice in that E&E will both be out of prison decades before their followers are.
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I place the odds of E&E ever leaving prison at approximately 0%.
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Just wondered over to the NH Underground forum
Somebody named Keith in RI chimes in.......
"joe just called me and the sentening is over for bob and jason. he tells me bob got 30 months on each charge but not sure if it is concurrent or consecutive, and then supervised probation after that. and jason was sentenced to 72 months on count 1, counts 2 and 3 he received a sentence of 60 months each but they will run together but not with the time from count one. and on count four he received 108 months to run with both the first and second and third charges. that brings his total to 132 months which is 11 years! he is 22. i think you must do 85-90 percent of federal time as there is no parole and with the approximately 11 months hes already served he will probably get out in about 9-9 1/2 years from now..... he'll be about 32 years old.
dannys sentencing was set for tommorow but we think it was delayed due to the courts ordering him to undergo a psych evaluation before he gets sent away for life!
joe tells me jason read a statement in court saying that he was carrying out article 10 which wasnt only a right but required him to do something about it all and the judge hinted that treason is punishable by death saying the severe sentence was to promote respect of the law i believe, but like i said this is third hand info as i wasnt there........ maybe if someone else was actually there or joe when you get online you could retell the story??"
My question then is Mr. Gebhard looking at 11 yrs or 20yrs?
Somebody named Keith in RI chimes in.......
"joe just called me and the sentening is over for bob and jason. he tells me bob got 30 months on each charge but not sure if it is concurrent or consecutive, and then supervised probation after that. and jason was sentenced to 72 months on count 1, counts 2 and 3 he received a sentence of 60 months each but they will run together but not with the time from count one. and on count four he received 108 months to run with both the first and second and third charges. that brings his total to 132 months which is 11 years! he is 22. i think you must do 85-90 percent of federal time as there is no parole and with the approximately 11 months hes already served he will probably get out in about 9-9 1/2 years from now..... he'll be about 32 years old.
dannys sentencing was set for tommorow but we think it was delayed due to the courts ordering him to undergo a psych evaluation before he gets sent away for life!
joe tells me jason read a statement in court saying that he was carrying out article 10 which wasnt only a right but required him to do something about it all and the judge hinted that treason is punishable by death saying the severe sentence was to promote respect of the law i believe, but like i said this is third hand info as i wasnt there........ maybe if someone else was actually there or joe when you get online you could retell the story??"
My question then is Mr. Gebhard looking at 11 yrs or 20yrs?
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Add the bold numbers together and you get 240 months, so the discrepancy is whether the 108 months on Count 4 is concurrent to the sentences on Counts 1, 2 and 3 or consecutive.1 of Them wrote:Just wondered over to the NH Underground forum
Somebody named Keith in RI chimes in.......
"joe just called me and the sentening is over for bob and jason. he tells me bob got 30 months on each charge but not sure if it is concurrent or consecutive, and then supervised probation after that. and jason was sentenced to 72 months on count 1, counts 2 and 3 he received a sentence of 60 months each but they will run together but not with the time from count one. and on count four he received 108 months to run with both the first and second and third charges. that brings his total to 132 months which is 11 years! he is 22. i think you must do 85-90 percent of federal time as there is no parole and with the approximately 11 months hes already served he will probably get out in about 9-9 1/2 years from now..... he'll be about 32 years old.
dannys sentencing was set for tommorow but we think it was delayed due to the courts ordering him to undergo a psych evaluation before he gets sent away for life!
joe tells me jason read a statement in court saying that he was carrying out article 10 which wasnt only a right but required him to do something about it all and the judge hinted that treason is punishable by death saying the severe sentence was to promote respect of the law i believe, but like i said this is third hand info as i wasnt there........ maybe if someone else was actually there or joe when you get online you could retell the story??"
My question then is Mr. Gebhard looking at 11 yrs or 20yrs?
Joe's version says it is concurrent but Demo's information is that it was consecutive. We'll find out exactly which is correct, soon enough.
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I knew where the 132 and 240 months were coming from. We just need to know concurrently or consecutively on Count 4. That's an extra 9 yrs this guy's looking at over one tiny word. Ouch!!
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Thanks Captain.CaptainKickback wrote: Several jokes run through my mind, but I will cut Mrs. W some slack today.
Yes, a couple tissues and a 18 pound tabby cat can be very therapeutic.Demosthenes wrote:Mrs. Wolffe, you holding up out there?
I see Joe H is attempting to play lawyer again. No surprises there. He is a boob.
Bob's lawyer called, Bob sentence - 30 months. Period. Less 11 served is 19 and 85% of that is 16.25. So feasibly w/good behavior be placed in a half way house in 7 - 8 months.
I should be grateful.
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Well, best wishes to you and your family.SheWolffe wrote:Thanks Captain.CaptainKickback wrote: Several jokes run through my mind, but I will cut Mrs. W some slack today.
Yes, a couple tissues and a 18 pound tabby cat can be very therapeutic.Demosthenes wrote:Mrs. Wolffe, you holding up out there?
I see Joe H is attempting to play lawyer again. No surprises there. He is a boob.
Bob's lawyer called, Bob sentence - 30 months. Period. Less 11 served is 19 and 85% of that is 16.25. So feasibly w/good behavior be placed in a half way house in 7 - 8 months.
I should be grateful.
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