Dresdner Financial / Concord Latin America NA - SCAM?

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Re: Dresdner Financial / Concord Latin America NA - SCAM?

Postby notorial dissent » Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:23 pm

As I said, if you have anything to back up what you have said, please feel free to post it.
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Re: Dresdner Financial / Concord Latin America NA - SCAM?

Postby craigm » Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:31 pm

What happened to Chicago Sox, who started the forum and was suppose to meet with the principals?
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Re: Dresdner Financial / Concord Latin America NA - SCAM?

Postby notorial dissent » Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:10 pm

And, surprise, surprise, neither CA nor IL have any record of DF, which means they are not licensed to be doing anything in the US, and it goes without saying that the SEC or comptroller has never heard of them.
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Re: Dresdner Financial / Concord Latin America NA - SCAM?

Postby chicagosox » Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:42 am

Hi it is Chicago sox - just wanted to update everyone - the "broker" that approached us stated that the principals did not want to meet us - as a result of the amendment that we drafted to there agreement - I realize that I was asking a number of questions which could not be responded to - the broker could not answer the questions - the same broker has now come back and stated that he has a company that guarntees the loan - you need to put $750 000 into Escrow and once the loan is approved they release the money
commercialescrowservices inc

http://www.commercialescrow.com/



COMMERCIAL ESCROW DUE DILIGENCE:


COMMERCIAL ESCROW SERVICES, INC

please see http://www.commercialescrow.com

Ms Antoinette Hardstone is the head of the Company, and your escrow agent in this matter. You will see her details and profile picture on the website clearly.

Ms Hardstone's company is A+ rated in escrow services, and she has been in the business for over 10 years. She works with heads of state, governments and high net commercial companies. She manages all of Aurora/Concepts business in escrow.

Commercial Escrow Services Inc is registered and licensed by the California Department of Corporations under License #9635075, and has been accredited by BBB (Better Business Bureaus) as an A+ Rated Escrow Agent. Please see http://www.bbb.org/greater-san-francisc ... l-ca-18395

your escrow officer is the head of the Company, Antoinette Hardstone (the lady whose picture is on the front page)

Antoinette is listed and registered and approved by quite a number of different authorizing bodies across the USA so, you can see that is both genuine and well established/ well reputed in escrow services for many years. Please see the following showing Ms Hardstone's authorizations and registrations, and also her approvals by state:

http://www.cabb.org/affiliates.asp

http://www.ebeaescrow.org/pdfs/board07.pdf

http://www.a-e-a.org/userfiles/file/Con ... rkbook.pdf
(please see board members - Antoinette Hardstone is one of them)

http://venicecityportal.com/blog/?p=1596

http://www.ceaescrow.org/bod/rosters/CE ... Roster.pdf

http://www.ceaescrow.com/_BOD_Regional_Pres_2009.asp

http://www.ceaescrow.org/_PD_Holders.asp

http://www.escrowinstitute.org/members/index.php

http://www.livermorehistory.com/Archive ... -01-25.pdf
(see short notes - heading community spirit award)

http://www.ceaescrow.org/_PD_CEI_List.asp

not sure if this goes to a seperate forum - but wanted everyone's thoughts about this escrow company

Thanks

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Re: Dresdner Financial / Concord Latin America NA - SCAM?

Postby LLamabob » Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:12 am

Dresdner is a SCAM. I know several investors who did the 44 Magnum program last year and never heard from Dresdner again, never got their money, etc.... Geoff Lund is the President. Stay away.

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Re: Dresdner Financial / Concord Latin America NA - SCAM?

Postby mightisright » Mon Feb 07, 2011 6:05 am

Darlene Bishop of Paradize funding was involved with Dresdner as well as Jennifer puff. Darlene has already been proven to be a fraud.

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Re: Dresdner Financial / Concord Latin America NA - SCAM?

Postby sknarf » Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:20 pm

WOW!!! All these post are amazing! Everyone here is quick to talk about people and companies and yet have no proof.

Hope it makes your day more meaningful!
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Postby sknarf » Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:31 pm

If your going to trash a company or person, you should have the true facts with proof or not share your personal feelings at all!

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Re: Dresdner Financial / Concord Latin America NA - SCAM?

Postby webhick » Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:42 pm

I could have sworn that bond brokers (anyone who buys and sells bonds for other people) have to be licensed and/or registered with the SEC. I'm looking at Dresder Financing's Bond Purchase Agreement and it's quite clear that that's what they're doing. It doesn't even say "private non-recourse loan offer" in the agreement.

But I've only got passing knowledge in such matters. Anyone with more experience want to weigh in?
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Re: Dresdner Financial / Concord Latin America NA - SCAM?

Postby wserra » Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:21 pm

webhick wrote:I could have sworn that bond brokers (anyone who buys and sells bonds for other people) have to be licensed and/or registered with the SEC.


It's not my field either. But if they either trade bonds on US markets or solicit US clients, I don't see how they can avoid the registration requirements. Here is the SEC's short version. There are gray areas, but these guys don't appear to fall in them.
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Re: Dresdner Financial / Concord Latin America NA - SCAM?

Postby bmielke » Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:35 pm

Mr Franks,

What is your relationship with the company?

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Postby sknarf » Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:58 pm

Hope you are all having a wonderful day!
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Re: Dresdner Financial / Concord Latin America NA - SCAM?

Postby bmielke » Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:53 pm

sknarf wrote:If you would read correctly you have see that I said I have entered the program (magnum program that is) now for the second time, so I am a client of Dresdners. I voiced myself because I am tired of these type of forums hurting good people and companies.


I reread your two posts above on this page and did not see any mention of your status, I may have missed a post. In these discussions on this board I tend to read the first couple of posts and then the regular's posts.

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Re: Dresdner Financial / Concord Latin America NA - SCAM?

Postby webhick » Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:40 pm

bmielke wrote:
sknarf wrote:If you would read correctly you have see that I said I have entered the program (magnum program that is) now for the second time, so I am a client of Dresdners. I voiced myself because I am tired of these type of forums hurting good people and companies.


I reread your two posts above on this page and did not see any mention of your status, I may have missed a post. In these discussions on this board I tend to read the first couple of posts and then the regular's posts.


sknarf wrote:I can tell you first hand that I am on my second entry with Dresdner and yes this second time has taken longer but I got my first entire amount back so I rolled into a second time on their money not my own.

It's at the end of the second paragraph of the first post. The ranting makes it hard to find the content. Maybe if he pounds his fists harder then I'll believe that just because someone buys bonds for themselves then they don't need to be licensed for selling bonds to others (I'm no expert but that reeks from here to high heaven). Or that this entire forum is all about Dresdner when it's only one thread. Or that bonds weren't mentioned anywhere on this thread when it's one of the first posts on the first page.
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Re: Dresdner Financial / Concord Latin America NA - SCAM?

Postby bmielke » Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:58 pm

webhick wrote:
bmielke wrote:
sknarf wrote:If you would read correctly you have see that I said I have entered the program (magnum program that is) now for the second time, so I am a client of Dresdners. I voiced myself because I am tired of these type of forums hurting good people and companies.


I reread your two posts above on this page and did not see any mention of your status, I may have missed a post. In these discussions on this board I tend to read the first couple of posts and then the regular's posts.


sknarf wrote:I can tell you first hand that I am on my second entry with Dresdner and yes this second time has taken longer but I got my first entire amount back so I rolled into a second time on their money not my own.

It's at the end of the second paragraph of the first post. The ranting makes it hard to find the content. Maybe if he pounds his fists harder then I'll believe that just because someone buys bonds for themselves then they don't need to be licensed for selling bonds to others (I'm no expert but that reeks from here to high heaven). Or that this entire forum is all about Dresdner when it's only one thread. Or that bonds weren't mentioned anywhere on this thread when it's one of the first posts on the first page.


Yeah I see it now, the rant just through me off. His wording screams PONZI SCHEME to me. Usually with bonds (I'm no expert, but this is my thought on them.) you would have cycles of putting your money through getting it back and reinvesting.

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Re: Dresdner Financial / Concord Latin America NA - SCAM?

Postby notorial dissent » Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:09 pm

To sknarf otherwise known as Peter Franks.

To quote you WOW!!! It has been a while since I have seen as much bombast and BS in one poorly written post, but you have managed it.

You speak, ill advisedly, of proof, well the proof is there for all to see. Dresden advertises itself on its very own website as, and I quote,
    “the leader in creative Commercial Financing, Bank Instruments, Bond Programs and more”
and puts itself forward as a bank / financial institution.

The letterhead or leader on the page starts off with “Dresdener Financial Banking and Investment Services”.

In my books, and more importantly in the books of my local Attorney General, that constitutes intent and attempt to commit fraud by claiming to be something, you claim, and the facts proclaim they are not.

They are advertising and soliciting customers over the internet which means they are using “wire” services to communicate, which makes them a public entity, and also subject to Federal as well as state supervision, regulation, and licensing, particularly as far as banking, and securities registration is concerned, and then we can discuss wire fraud.

By virtue of those two things alone, Dresdener is holding itself out to be financial and banking entity, something that does in fact require registration with all states in which they are doing business, or have clients, or might have clients, and that they be registered with the SEC as a licensed broker, and with the various banking agencies and the comptroller of the currency since they also come under that aegis as well.

Ah, another idiot who doesn’t know what slander is, big surprise. First, slander is a civil matter, not criminal, so the FED as you put it, is neither involved nor interested in it. The only party that could claim slander in this matter is Dresdener, and the absolute last thing they want to do is go to court where they can be exposed for committing fraud. The big problem with slander is that the “injured” party has to prove what was said was malicious and untrue, and that’s not going to happen here, since there has been nothing malicious or untrue said.

More to the point what has been said, is that the promises made for the bond portion are simply impossible to either promise or accomplish, and this coming from someone who actually works in that field, so hardly supposition. Now what has been said, by myself personally and others is that Dresden has all the earmarks of a scam. Now I do find it interesting that you mention a so called “NON-RECOURSE LOAN”, since no one else certainly has, and which in the real world equates to up front fee fraud, and is illegal in every state, so not a smart move on your part.

I particularly love this comment from sknarfy, “It's harder for people to lie to your face but it is very easy to do it over emails and calls”, when the reverse is true, it is quite easy for someone to lie to you face to face or over the internet, what is hard to do is deny the little inconvenient truths like no license or legal existence what so ever, which is the big nasty truth that Dresdener wants to run from.

And thank you for bringing up “Geoff Lunn” since no one else here did, you really should keep your stories straight. I’m sure the appropriate AG’s and Securities commissioners will be most appreciative for the extra information.

Just for the record, part of due diligence includes checking into the bona fides of the company you are dealing with from independent sources, like the legal licensing and registration databases of the jurisdictions they claim to be doing business in, and guess what, no one has ever heard of Dresdener, and despite your whinings and protestations to the contrary, none of the activities of Dresdener are outside of the registration requirements and jurisdiction of either the Feds or the states. In fact, everything I see listed on the website comes under the authority of either the Feds or the various states, or both, so your protestations of outrage and innocence ring rather loudly false.

The old maxim that when something looks like a skunk cabbage, and smells like a skunk cabbage, it generally always is.
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Re: Dresdner Financial / Concord Latin America NA - SCAM?

Postby Victim » Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:38 am

I am also waiting for a payout which was due last year, Sknarf please contact me to discuss your "successful" payout and anyone who has had a successful payout please post your stories, I don't think there will be too many.
There is no people behind this company the number given on the webpage goes to a voicemail everytime and nobody replies.

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Re: Dresdner Financial / Concord Latin America NA - SCAM?

Postby notorial dissent » Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:29 pm

Regrettably, you have chosen an apt screen name. You are waiting, and you will be waiting, forever..... or at the very least until the dime drops and you figure out that you have been had.

My best advice to you at his point would be to run, not walk, to your state's AG's office and file a criminal complaint, at the very least you have them on upfront fee fraud, and I would suspect they have broken any number of other state laws as well, and we won't even start on the Federal level laws.

Unfortunately, I wouldn't hold out much hope of ever seeing a dime of your money back, as it is long gone at this point. And don't hold your breath waiting for a return call from your scammers, they have your money so you are no longer of interest to them.
The fact that you sincerely and wholeheartedly believe that the “Law of Gravity” is unconstitutional and a violation of your sovereign rights, does not absolve you of adherence to it.

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Re: Dresdner Financial / Concord Latin America NA - SCAM?

Postby v323elo » Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:47 pm

I understand that payment has been promised today to one of my contacts . $44k is promising a return of $5million??? and the MT103 is awaited today!!

The contact said that 4,700 are in this programme at $44k wow!! =$206,800,000 so yes it would be easy to Ponzi pay out to some on this at that level.

It has been delayed and is 3 months overdue something to do with the president being the only one able to sign for the funds and being dismissed by the board for not acting in best interests???

Also they are now saying that delay due to having to lodge an MTN at Barclays bank??? all confusing as ever in the world of HYIP and NON Recourse loans!!

This all sounds fishy at the moment. All I can say if they pay out the $5million this may not prove the non existance of a ponzi here as some do get paid out in ponzis.

I await the next instalment!!

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Re: Dresdner Financial / Concord Latin America NA - SCAM?

Postby Victim » Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:40 pm

To V323ELO Please let us know if you get paid today, My promised pay day has come and gone more than once and I am 4 months overdue.
I now get no feedback or promises anymore, NOTHING


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