I hope so. If he is sheltering with some "allies", it is more likely in time they will come to a disagreement (such as over money) and like the fine young cannibals sovruns tend to be, will leak out where Winston has been hiding.
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If someone IS harboring him, they might be reluctant to rat him out, no matter how big a disagreement they have. That would lay them open to charges for harboring a fugitive.The Observer wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:07 pmI hope so. If he is sheltering with some "allies", it is more likely in time they will come to a disagreement (such as over money) and like the fine young cannibals sovruns tend to be, will leak out where Winston has been hiding.
They might through him out into the cold, cold world to fend for himself. In that case, he might be discovered and captured.
However, if they do that, and Shrout is apprehended, he might, in turn rat them out as revenge for kicking him out.
Not a good situation for anyone.
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"Yes Burnaby49, I do in fact believe all process servers are peace officers. I've good reason to believe so." Robert Menard in his May 28, 2015 video "Process Servers".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeI-J2PhdGs
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So that marks six months that Shrout has been a fugitive.
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Shrout is the subject of Part 3 of Metokur’s Sovereign Citizen series:
https://youtu.be/34rQWSYsfGg
(This is not an endorsement of Metokur or the channel mirroring the video)
https://youtu.be/34rQWSYsfGg
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Jeffrey wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:13 pm Shrout has been caught in Arizona.
https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status ... 93792?s=21
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That is funny, I was just wondering about him today, and if he had died yet, but this is much better news!
edit: Perhaps we can unban Jonnysunday now that Shrout is going away for a long time... Love to hear how this is a win
edit: Perhaps we can unban Jonnysunday now that Shrout is going away for a long time... Love to hear how this is a win
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The Oregonian provided a little more on the story, and I mean "little."
It is interesting that they nabbed Shrout last Friday and kept quiet about it until today.
It is interesting that they nabbed Shrout last Friday and kept quiet about it until today.
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I don’t understand why there was a detention hearing in Phoenix?
As to Arizona, what comes to mind is that some of his hippie friends are in the area. Maybe some of them will be charged for harboring him.
As to Arizona, what comes to mind is that some of his hippie friends are in the area. Maybe some of them will be charged for harboring him.
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Nearest federal court from the point of capture. Simple process - is this the fugitive? Yes. Okay - back into the system you go. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. Marshalls, take him where he belongs.
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They think it's all over. It is now!jonny sunday wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:41 pm And Winston is still not in jail, but yall are still self proclaimed legal experts.
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Actually, he's very much in jail now and fairly shortly be in prison for reals, pretty much for the rest of his otherwise useless life. I don't think they will be dumb enough to let him out OR this time around.
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I wonder if his next step will be to demand that his appeal be heard.
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He certainly has the hutzpah to do it, I wonder if the Appellate Court will stick to their guns?
I keep hoping we will hear HOW they found him after he fugitized. That should be the more interesting story. I am also hoping there will be some, as in a whole bunch, arrests and some serious jail time come out of it for his "little helpers" as they so richly deserve.
By the way johnny "Winston is still not not in jail" and not only is he not not in jail, he's going to be there probably for the rest of his life. Are you looking forward to joining him? He being your hero and all?
I keep hoping we will hear HOW they found him after he fugitized. That should be the more interesting story. I am also hoping there will be some, as in a whole bunch, arrests and some serious jail time come out of it for his "little helpers" as they so richly deserve.
By the way johnny "Winston is still not not in jail" and not only is he not not in jail, he's going to be there probably for the rest of his life. Are you looking forward to joining him? He being your hero and all?
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https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/fugitive ... n-sentence
Justice News
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Wednesday, November 6, 2019
Fugitive and Tax Fraud Promoter Captured and Set to Serve His 10 Year Prison Sentence
A fugitive and former Hillsboro, Oregon, tax fraud promoter, who had been on the run since he was supposed to start serving a 10 year prison sentence, was caught in Arizona and apprehended on Nov. 1, 2019, by the U.S. Marshals Service, announced Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General Richard E. Zuckerman of the Justice Department’s Tax Division.
Winston Shrout, 70, was convicted by a jury in April 2017 of submitting fraudulent financial instruments to banks and the U.S. Treasury, and failing to file income tax returns. According to the evidence presented at his trial and sentencing, from approximately 2008 through 2015, Shrout created and submitted more than 300 such fraudulent instruments. He also held seminars and private meetings to promote and market the use of these instruments to pay off debts, including federal taxes. Shrout sold recordings of his seminars, templates for fraudulent financial instruments and other materials through his website.
In addition, Shrout did not file his 2009 through 2014 tax returns despite earning substantial income from seminars, licensing fees associated with the sale of his products, and annual pension payments. Shrout admitted during trial that he had not paid income tax for at least 20 years.
On Oct. 22, 2018, Judge Robert E. Jones sentenced Shrout to 10 years in prison, to serve five years of supervised release, and to pay restitution to the IRS. Shrout failed to report to prison as ordered in March 2019, and was a fugitive until his arrest late last week. Shrout appeared in district court and will be transferred to the custody of the Bureau of Prisons to begin serving his prison term.
Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General Zuckerman commended the diligent investigation of the U.S. Marshals Service in Portland, Oregon, and Phoenix, Arizona, for bringing Shrout to justice. Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General Zuckerman also commended special agents of IRS–Criminal Investigation, who conducted the investigation, Trial Attorneys Stuart Wexler and Lee Langston of the Tax Division, who prosecuted the case, the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Oregon, and Assistant United States Attorney Ryan Bounds, for their support during the investigation, prosecution, and apprehension of the defendant in this case.
Additional information about the Tax Division and its enforcement efforts may be found on the division’s website.
Topic(s): Financial Fraud, Tax
Component(s): Tax Division
Press Release Number: 19-1198
Updated November 6, 2019
Justice News
Department of Justice
Office of Public Affairs
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Wednesday, November 6, 2019
Fugitive and Tax Fraud Promoter Captured and Set to Serve His 10 Year Prison Sentence
A fugitive and former Hillsboro, Oregon, tax fraud promoter, who had been on the run since he was supposed to start serving a 10 year prison sentence, was caught in Arizona and apprehended on Nov. 1, 2019, by the U.S. Marshals Service, announced Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General Richard E. Zuckerman of the Justice Department’s Tax Division.
Winston Shrout, 70, was convicted by a jury in April 2017 of submitting fraudulent financial instruments to banks and the U.S. Treasury, and failing to file income tax returns. According to the evidence presented at his trial and sentencing, from approximately 2008 through 2015, Shrout created and submitted more than 300 such fraudulent instruments. He also held seminars and private meetings to promote and market the use of these instruments to pay off debts, including federal taxes. Shrout sold recordings of his seminars, templates for fraudulent financial instruments and other materials through his website.
In addition, Shrout did not file his 2009 through 2014 tax returns despite earning substantial income from seminars, licensing fees associated with the sale of his products, and annual pension payments. Shrout admitted during trial that he had not paid income tax for at least 20 years.
On Oct. 22, 2018, Judge Robert E. Jones sentenced Shrout to 10 years in prison, to serve five years of supervised release, and to pay restitution to the IRS. Shrout failed to report to prison as ordered in March 2019, and was a fugitive until his arrest late last week. Shrout appeared in district court and will be transferred to the custody of the Bureau of Prisons to begin serving his prison term.
Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General Zuckerman commended the diligent investigation of the U.S. Marshals Service in Portland, Oregon, and Phoenix, Arizona, for bringing Shrout to justice. Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General Zuckerman also commended special agents of IRS–Criminal Investigation, who conducted the investigation, Trial Attorneys Stuart Wexler and Lee Langston of the Tax Division, who prosecuted the case, the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Oregon, and Assistant United States Attorney Ryan Bounds, for their support during the investigation, prosecution, and apprehension of the defendant in this case.
Additional information about the Tax Division and its enforcement efforts may be found on the division’s website.
Topic(s): Financial Fraud, Tax
Component(s): Tax Division
Press Release Number: 19-1198
Updated November 6, 2019
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A 70-year-old convict would normally be sent to a minimum security prison, but I think Strout is now going to find himself in a considerably more secure institution. Which means his cellmates are likely to be a less congenial sort.
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But in the minds of the tax deniers, this just proves that Winston knew what he was talking about. So the ebil gubmint resorted to putting him in a high-security prison to keep the truth from getting out!Dr. Caligari wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:25 pm A 70-year-old convict would normally be sent to a minimum security prison, but I think Strout is now going to find himself in a considerably more secure institution. Which means his cellmates are likely to be a less congenial sort.
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Let’s be reasonable. He’s 70 years old, he’s physically unable to bust out of prison so that’s not a justification for higher security. Meanwhile he’s got no history of violence that I’m aware of so he’s not a danger to guards or other inmates.
I don’t see a problem with minimum security.
I don’t see a problem with minimum security.
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He voided any potential minimum security classification when he decided to run.Jeffrey wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:57 am Let’s be reasonable. He’s 70 years old, he’s physically unable to bust out of prison so that’s not a justification for higher security. Meanwhile he’s got no history of violence that I’m aware of so he’s not a danger to guards or other inmates.
I don’t see a problem with minimum security.
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