Val Lambert wrote:Hello wserra, Professor and Doc Bunkum,
Hello, Val Lambert. Welcome to Quatloos.
I see that you have found another forum to complain about Harvey and Elite.
Look to your right as you read this. I have been a member here for seven years, and have made over 4000 posts. Perhaps 4 (0.001) of those concern Elite/CUA.
Maybe you deserve some more.
But my point is, its Connecting Us All NOT Elite.
I can appreciate why you say that. After all, Elite was an adjudicated pyramid scheme. Still, do you recognize the following?
Many initial organizers, founders, and/or participants in ConnectingUsAll.org were involved in or connected in some way with Elite Activity, also known as Elite Activity Resurrected, Elite Activity Resurrected Church, Native American Church of Potlatch (referred to collectively herein as "Elite Activity")
ConnectingUsAll.org is a direct outgrowth of the business enterprise formerly referred to as the Elite Activity.
reasonable minds may differ and conclude that Connecting Us All and ConnectingUsAll.org are illegal as a pyramid scheme, or as an unregistered security, or in some other way.
At least one court (Texas) and one administrative agency (Utah Dept. Of Consumer Protection) found that the Elite Activity and its business model, particularly as far as the use of the cycles was concerned, constituted an illegal pyramid scheme.... There are many similarities between the cycles used by the Elite Activity and the cycles employed in ConnectingUsAll.org
The Elite Activity's founder, Harvey Dockstader Jr. was criminally convicted in a Texas state court (USA) for having promoted an illegal pyramid scheme and was sentenced to prison....
Harvey Dockstader Jr.'s wife, Maureen Dockstader, is involved with Connecting Us All.
Joe Read and his spouse were issued a citation by the Utah Department of Consumer Protection for operating an illegal pyramid scheme in the state of Utah, USA, in connection with the Elite Activity. The Reads were ordered to cease and desist operations in Utah, and to put a notice on the Elite Activity website stating that Elite cannot and will not operate in Utah. Joe Read is an officer of Connecting Us All.
You should recognize it, since you guys wrote it
Val Lambert wrote:That has nothing to do with Connecting Us All.
Of course not. Other than the facts that your current organization is a "direct outgrowth" of an adjudicated pyramid scheme, bears "many similarities" to it, and is run by the same folks (except the guy in jail) - why, you're completely different.
We are not making anybody join,
Of course you're "not making anybody join". Nobody says you're running a press gang, just a gifting scheme.
there is no one at the top receiving all of the money,
So you say. I'm sure that the folks that ran an adjudicated pyramid now just donate their time out of the goodness of their hearts.
the members don't even have to pay a fee if they don't want to.
Ah. Now that one's a little interesting.
The place where one finds the "cycles" at CUA is the Gifting, er, Giving
Pool. (Yeah, that's it, Giving
. Much better.) On the "Join a Cycle" screen, the user is asked the following question: "Are you willing to give an unconditional gift upon joining a cycle?" A "Yes" answer takes you through other screens to immediately sign up in the Gifting Scheme, er, Giving Pool
. A "No" answer - "no" as in I'm not giving you any money - gets you this:
An unconditional gift is in no way required to participate in the giving pool, although we recommend it! To join anyway, please submit a written request to:
Connecting Us All
3701 Mountain Dance Dr.
Colorado Springs, CO 80908 USA
Once we receive your request, it will be processed within 5 business days and your access information will be e-mailed to you once you have been placed on the cycle. Connecting Us All will send a gift on your behalf.
Maybe. Since I'm not about to sign up, I don't know - but why the difference? If you really
don't need to give, why are those who do give signed up immediately and those who don't told to send a "written request"?
I know what I think. BTW, what's a "subscription payment"?
Val Lambert wrote:We have not heard from the SEC, Attorney Generals etc.
Neither did Bernie Madoff until the roof fell in. It doesn't work that way. Did anyone tell Dockstader, "If you don't knock this off you're going to jail"? Or did they just show up one day?